Triple integral problem: cylindrical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around a triple integral problem in cylindrical coordinates, specifically related to determining the volume of Torricelli's Trumpet. The original poster presents a mathematical expression involving a graph and seeks clarification on the bounds of integration and the presence of a half in the integral.

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  • Participants explore the bounds for the triple integral, questioning the reasoning behind the limits for x, r, and θ. There is also discussion about the interpretation of the integral in the context of finding volume.

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Some participants are attempting to clarify the original poster's question and the nature of the integral. Others are providing insights into the volume calculation and discussing the relationship between the integral and the geometric figure in question. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants note the challenge of understanding the setup of the problem, including the use of cylindrical coordinates and the specific bounds of integration. There is mention of external resources that may provide additional context but are not fully explained within the thread.

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I have a graph 1/x^2=y^2+z^2 where z=rsin(θ) and y=rcos(θ)
where 0≤r≤1 and 0≤θ≤2∏ on the zy-plane

The end result is attached (sorry, I'm not aware of how to use Latex :[ )
I can kind of understand how they determined the first bounds for the integral: the lowest x co-ordinate is 0 and the maximum co-ordinate is always 1/r. I can also kind of understand how they determined the second integral bounds, the maximum possible value for r is 1 and the lowest possible value for r is 0. For the angle the largest possible angle is 2∏ whereas the lowest possible angle is 0. I do not, however, understand why there is a half in front of the triple integral.
 

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hi jackscholar! :smile:

i don't understand what the question is …

is it to find a volume, if so of what?
jackscholar said:
the lowest x co-ordinate is 0 and the maximum co-ordinate is always 1/r

surely it's from 1 to 1/r ? :confused:
 
I am trying to determine the volume for Torricelli's Trumpet. I've done it the conventional way but have been want to prove it using the triple integral method. I stumbled across a website which stated a few things and got to the answer but it didn't explain how. I have proved the surface area using a different method to the disk method and would like to prove the volume using a different method but I'm not too good at triple integrals. The website is below, what I was looking at was on page 18 near the bottom and 19 near the top. Could you help m interpret what they are trying to do?

This is the website: http://www.palmbeachstate.edu/honors/documents/jeansergejoseph.pdf
 
It's easy: it's just the volume of ONE of the horns.
 
How would I calculate the volume of one of the horns using a triple integral, though?
 
You use the cylindrical coordinates as given in #1:
\vec{r}=(x,r \cos \varphi,r \sin \varphi).
Then the boundary surface for one half of the horn is given as
x=\frac{1}{\sqrt{y^2+z^2}}=\frac{1}{r}.
Now the volume element in cylinder coordinates is
\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{r}=\mathrm{d} r \mathrm{d} \varphi \mathrm{d} x r.

Now using the definition for Gabriel's horn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel's_Horn

It's volume is given by
V=\int_0^1 \mathrm{d} r \int_0^{\varphi} \mathrm{d} \varphi \int_{1}^{1/r} \mathrm{d} x r.
Now you can easily evaluate the integral yourself.
 

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