Trivial pursuit and human extinction

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The discussion revolves around the nature of dreams, human behavior, and the tendency to focus on trivial matters in life. Participants explore the implications of dreams as messages from the unconscious and the absurdity of human actions, particularly in the context of self-reflection and personal experiences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share personal experiences of waking from dreams and the difficulty of distinguishing between dream and reality.
  • There is a suggestion that human nature may be absurd, but this is debated, with others arguing that while human actions can be absurd, human nature itself cannot be classified as such.
  • One participant reflects on the idea that dreams might be symbolic, but cautions against over-generalizing this notion.
  • Another participant proposes that the mind is always working on problems, and if not engaged with significant issues, it may focus on trivial matters instead.
  • Some participants express that moments of clarity or problem-solving often occur in relaxed states, such as before breakfast or in the shower.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of dreams and human behavior, with no consensus reached on whether human nature can be considered absurd. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the symbolic nature of dreams and the implications of focusing on trivial pursuits.

Contextual Notes

Participants' reflections are influenced by personal experiences and subjective interpretations, leading to varying definitions of absurdity and the significance of dreams.

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Trivial pursuit and human extinction

I was awakened last night by a loud knocking on my door. Fortunately the knocking was not reality but was a dream.

When I “heard” the knocking I sat upright in bed with my heart racing and immediately tried to determine if what I had heard was the real world rather than a dream. I assume such things happen to everyone; such things have happened to me before.

I was unable to go back to sleep. Instead my mind led me into contemplations that have resulted in my preparing this posting thus ending my attempt on going back to sleep.

I am retired and have been using my free time for the last several years studying the human condition. I have been trying to comprehend why humans do the absurd things we do and if there is some way to change the direction our civilization is heading. As part of this effort I have been engaged in several of these Internet discussion forums writing my thoughts about our human propensity to self-destruct.

Circumstances this summer have led me into becoming a bricklayer for the first time in my life. I needed to build a small brick wall in my front yard and I have been engrossed in this project for many weeks.

When I look back on my bricklaying efforts I recognize that I have tranquilized myself with trivia. For many weeks I have narrowed the focus of my intellectual interests to the follies of amateur bricklaying. The loud knocking was my unconscious awakening me from my holiday of trivia. My mind was willing to focus upon the trivia just as before it was focused on the important. But a sense of guilt drives my intellectual activity back to more important matters.

Have you experienced the difficulty sometimes of separating dream from reality?

Do you think that such things as hearing a loud knocking is our unconscious sending us a message?
 
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coberst said:
I was awakened last night by a loud knocking on my door. Fortunately the knocking was not reality but was a dream.

When I “heard” the knocking I sat upright in bed with my heart racing and immediately tried to determine if what I had heard was the real world rather than a dream. I assume such things happen to everyone; such things have happened to me before.
It's happened to me, yes.

The creepiest thing is hearing your name called clearly and distincty. Nothing b rings you to wakefulness faster than that.

coberst said:
I have been trying to comprehend why humans do the absurd things we do

Food for thought: can human nature by definition, be called absurd? If it's how we behave then it's how we behave, isn't it?

coberst said:
When I look back on my bricklaying efforts I recognize that I have tranquilized myself with trivia. For many weeks I have narrowed the focus of my intellectual interests to the follies of amateur bricklaying. The loud knocking was my unconscious awakening me from my holiday of trivia. My mind was willing to focus upon the trivia just as before it was focused on the important. But a sense of guilt drives my intellectual activity back to more important matters.
Not seeing the forest for the tree as it were? Happens to me. Sometimes when I'm drawing. I'll step back, proud of my testure rendering or detailed still life, and someone (perhap me) will say "why does his head look like someone went at him with a shovel?"

coberst said:
Do you think that such things as hearing a loud knocking is our unconscious sending us a message?

Certainly. Or it could be your conscious mind, making a big deal out of a random event, and using it as an excuse to take some time to examine anything of interest in your recent memory for flaws.


If you're like me, you have some of your best problem-solving moments before breakfast - often in the shower, when unencumbered by the day's hurdles and pitfalls.
 
I believe dreams can sometimes be symbolic, but I wouldn't over-generalize and say all dreams are symbolic. Nor do I think it matters. Perhaps what does matter is how you feel about your dream, which is obviously what has motivated you not only to post at this site, but also to focus your efforts.
 
Dave

I don’t think human nature can be absurd but certainly human action can be absurd. The actions that we take are generally freely taken and thus ones that we are responsible for. Humans are meaning creating creatures. Values and actions taken are the result generally of our free choice and an examination of history would verify its absurdity.

It amazes me when out of the blue my mind will present me with a solution to a problem. I think the mind is always at work and if we do not feed it problems of significance then all that brain power goes to waste contemplating the mundane.
 

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