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The discussion revolves around the definition and interpretation of a function involving a partial derivative within an integral, specifically addressing the case when the parameter t is set to zero. The context includes mathematical reasoning and clarification of derivative notation.

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  • One participant questions how the function g(t, q) can be defined at t = 0, noting that the partial derivative becomes nonsensical when evaluated at that point.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral simplifies to the value of the partial derivative at t = 0, as the integrand does not depend on s when t is set to zero.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on the notation \partial(ts), wondering if it serves merely as a placeholder for differentiation with respect to the first argument.
  • A later reply proposes that by substituting u = ts, one can interpret the partial derivative with respect to u before reverting to the original variable for integration.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the partial derivative and its implications when t = 0. There is no consensus on the best approach to define the function at that point.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the notation and the dependence of the integral on the variable t, which may affect the interpretation of the derivative.

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Given is the following function (nevermind what the function h is):

<br /> g(t, q) = \int_0^1 \frac{\partial h(ts, q)}{\partial(ts)} ds<br />

This function is supposed to be defined for t = 0. However, I don't see how - the partial derivative in the integral then becomes \frac{\partial h(0, q)}{\partial(0)} and this does not make any sense to me.

If it's any help, this was taken from "do Carmo, Riemannian Geometry", Chapter 0, Lemma 5.5
 
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Any derivative is a function, which can take on a particular value for a particular value of the argument. For your integral, by setting t=0, the integrand is no longer dependent on s, so the integral is simply the value of the partial derivative at t=0.
 
Thanks for your answer, I think I understand it better now. The one thing that still bothers me is the \partial(ts). How is this to be interpreted? Is it just a placeholder that says "partial differentiation by the first argument"?
 
That's what it looks like to me. Let u=ts, take the partial derivative with respect to u and then set u=ts after-wards before integrating with respect to s.
 

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