Troubleshooting Hydrogen Discharge Tubes: Potential Causes for Emission Stoppage

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting issues related to hydrogen discharge tubes, specifically addressing the cessation of emission during an experiment. Participants explore potential causes, including gas absorption and operational practices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the emission stoppage could be due to all hydrogen atoms becoming completely ionized.
  • Another participant requests more details about the experimental setup and purpose to better understand the issue.
  • A participant describes their experiment aimed at observing the spectrum using an induction coil, noting that the tube operated for about an hour before the emission stopped.
  • One participant proposes that hydrogen gas may be absorbed by the glass walls of the tube or the electrodes, which they believe happens more readily with hydrogen compared to other gases.
  • A participant mentions that hydrogen tubes in their labs often need replacement due to this absorption phenomenon, while other gas tubes last longer unless broken.
  • Another participant notes that the hydrogen tube resumed emission the following day, albeit with reduced intensity.
  • A participant recalls a suggestion that tubes might be "regassed" by cooling them in a fridge or freezer, although they express uncertainty about its effectiveness.
  • Some participants question whether hydrogen tubes are designed for intermittent operation, given that one participant had used the tube continuously for over 10 minutes.
  • Multiple participants express skepticism about the cooling method for regassing, noting a lack of supporting information found online.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the causes of emission stoppage, with no consensus reached on the primary reason. There is also uncertainty about the operational practices for hydrogen tubes.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations in understanding the absorption process and the effects of cooling on gas behavior, but these aspects remain unresolved.

amalmirando
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Hi,
I experimented with a hydrogen tube and after some time the emission stopped.could it be because all hydrogen atoms became completely ionized?
 
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Could you describe this in more detail?
What was the arrangement of your experiment? What was the purpose?
 
the purpose was just to observe the spectrum using an induction coil. the tube was in operation about an hour and after that tha dark spaces were connected together and some time later the emission stopped.
 
I think it's because the hydrogen gas in the tube simply gets absorbed by the glass in the walls of the tube, or by the electrodes. It happens more easily with hydrogen than with other gases because the atoms/molecules are so light.

In our introductory labs we use a variety of gas discharge tubes for observing spectra (hydrogen, helium, argon, neon, mercury). We have to replace the hydrogen tubes often because they "wear out" like this. The other tubes usually last until someone breaks them.
 
but the concern is the fact that on the following day the hydrogen tube started emitting though the intensity was a bit weak.
 
jtbell said:
I think it's because the hydrogen gas in the tube simply gets absorbed by the glass in the walls of the tube, or by the electrodes. It happens more easily with hydrogen than with other gases because the atoms/molecules are so light.

In our introductory labs we use a variety of gas discharge tubes for observing spectra (hydrogen, helium, argon, neon, mercury). We have to replace the hydrogen tubes often because they "wear out" like this. The other tubes usually last until someone breaks them.

I have a vague memory of someone telling me that the tubes can be "regassed" by putting them in the fridge or freezer for a few hours.I don't know if it works.
 
I browsed through the internet and did not find anything regarding your statement...wonder if it's true...when cooled atoms do slow down and wonder if it accelerates the recombination process...
 
Are hydrogen tubes meant to be operated interminently? because i had turned it on for more than 10 minutes...
 
amalmirando said:
I browsed through the internet and did not find anything regarding your statement...wonder if it's true...when cooled atoms do slow down and wonder if it accelerates the recombination process...

I browsed as well and found nothing.:confused:
 
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here are some videos i took during the experiment ...

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