Truck with attached inclined plane and a block on the incline

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on an inclined plane attached to a moving truck. The block's behavior on the incline and the forces acting on both the block and the truck are central to the inquiry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the acceleration of the truck and the block, questioning whether they can assume these accelerations are the same. There are attempts to apply Newton's laws and draw free body diagrams to analyze the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the necessity of considering the horizontal component of forces acting on the block. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the force diagrams, particularly regarding the normal force and the weight of the block.

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The problem involves a specific setup with a 100 kg block on a frictionless incline at 60 degrees, and a truck with a total mass of 1500 kg. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the forces acting on both the block and the truck in relation to their motion.

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Homework Statement
100 kg block on a frictionless incline, 60 degrees above, attached to a truck. Truck is moving along the ground, it's 1500 kg (including incline). What's the static friction force on the truck if the block doesn't move relative to incline.
Relevant Equations
Newton's 2nd law, friction.
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I tried solving this by assuming the acceleration of the truck and block to be the same so the block would stay on the incline. Also, I would assume truck ma = static friction, block ma = mgsintheta... then I solved for a to plug into 1st equation to get 12990 N. Is this correct? I wasn't sure whether this would work because I used the rotated axes for the block so the acceleration is tilted and I don't know whether I can still assume the acceleration of block and truck to be the same. How would I solve it otherwise?
 
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Do you know trig? Can you draw a force diagram?
 
phinds said:
Do you know trig? Can you draw a force diagram?
this?
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I'm sure that all means something to you but it just looks like scribbles to me and I don't see the relationship to the problem.
 
phinds said:
I'm sure that all means something to you but it just looks like scribbles to me and I don't see the relationship to the problem.
I was attempting to draw free body diagrams in response to your question about whether I could draw a force diagram.
 
rakailee said:
I was attempting to draw free body diagrams in response to your question about whether I could draw a force diagram.
The FBD for the truck is missing the normal force from the ground and it should not show the weight of the block. The weight of the block is a force on the block; the force that acts on the truck's incline is the normal force.
 
rakailee said:
Homework Statement:: 100 kg block on a frictionless incline, 60 degrees above, attached to a truck. Truck is moving along the ground, it's 1500 kg (including incline). What's the static friction force on the truck if the block doesn't move relative to incline.
Relevant Equations:: Newton's 2nd law, friction.

block ma = mgsintheta
There is a problem here. You are correct in saying that the acceleration of the truck and the block are the same. Therefore, the acceleration of the block is in the horizontal direction. The weight cannot provide a horizontal acceleration. What force can and what is its horizontal component?
 
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kuruman said:
There is a problem here. You are correct in saying that the acceleration of the truck and the block are the same. Therefore, the acceleration of the block is in the horizontal direction. The weight cannot provide a horizontal acceleration. What force can and what is its horizontal component?
I understand how to solve it from there, thanks! I should've realized that acc of block must be horizontal as well.
 

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