Twice as many? 3/4 as many? How to interpret?

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The discussion focuses on how to algebraically express phrases like "twice as many x as z" and "3/4 as many x as z." The correct interpretation for "twice as many x as z" is x = 2z, indicating that for every unit of z, there are two units of x. Similarly, "3/4 as many x as z" translates to x = (3/4)z. Participants emphasize understanding these relationships through ratios and applied examples, reinforcing that clarity in variable representation is crucial for accurate mathematical expressions. The conversation also touches on the challenges of maintaining focus during prolonged math study sessions.
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How do you write "twice as many x as z" algebraically?

Is this 2x=z or x=2z? How do you know?

How about "3/4 as many x as z" algebraically?

Is this (3/4)x=z or z=(3/4)x? How do you know?

An applied example:
There are twice as many apples as there are oranges, so does this mean for each orange there are 2 apples, so that if apples=x and oranges=y, then y=2x; 2y=4x, and etc?

Are these statements ambiguous to you?
 
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How do you write "twice as many x as z" algebraically?
Is this 2x=z or x=2z?

x = 2z

How do you know?

There's no trick to it; all of the information is right there in the expression. It says that you need 2 of z to equal 1 of x, hence: x = 2z.
 
Vay said:
How do you write "twice as many x as z" algebraically?

Is this 2x=z or x=2z? How do you know?
x = 2z

An equivalent problem is "x is twice as big as z." It might help to look at numbers. 50 is twice as big as 25. Would you write an equation expressing this relationship as
a) 50 = 2*25
or
b)2*50 = 25?
Vay said:
How about "3/4 as many x as z" algebraically?
x = (3/4)y
Vay said:
Is this (3/4)x=z or z=(3/4)x? How do you know?

An applied example:
There are twice as many apples as there are oranges, so does this mean for each orange there are 2 apples, so that if apples=x and oranges=y, then y=2x; 2y=4x, and etc?

Are these statements ambiguous to you?
I would not let apples = x and oranges = y. These variables should represent the number of apples or oranges.

As far as translating to equations, see what I said at the beginning of this post.
 
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Vay said:
How do you write "twice as many x as z" algebraically?

I usually try to think of this in terms of ratios. The phrase "twice as many x as z" gives you an equality of ratios, x:z is 2:1. Assuming z isn't zero, we can rewrite this using fractions as \frac{x}{z} = 2 so x = 2z.
 
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