Two blocks connected by springs moving in a circle

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The problem involves two blocks, A and B, connected by springs, moving in uniform circular motion on a frictionless table. The discussion centers on determining the spring constant of spring 2, given the masses of the blocks, the lengths of the springs, and the linear speed of block B.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the tensions in the springs and the forces acting on the blocks. There is uncertainty about how to incorporate the effects of both springs and whether the tension in spring 2 can be equated directly to the centripetal force acting on block B.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made about the system, particularly regarding the role of spring 1 and how it affects the tension in spring 2. Some have expressed doubt about the simplicity of equating certain forces, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted concern about the implications of using only the parameters related to block B and spring 2 without considering the interactions with block A and spring 1. Participants are reflecting on the adequacy of their approaches given the constraints of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Block A and block B are on a frictionless table as shown in Figure 2. Spring 1 connects block A to a frictionless peg at 0 and spring 2 connects block A and block B. Their masses are respectively mA=0:45 kg and mB=0:32 kg. When the blocks are in uniform circular motion about 0, the springs have lengths of lA=0.80 m and lB=0.50 m. The springs are ideal and massless, and the linear speed of block B is 2.8 m/s. If the distance that spring 2 stretches is 0.070 m, determine the spring constant of spring 2.

Homework Equations


F=ma
a=v2/r
F=kx

The Attempt at a Solution


y-direction is perpendicular to surface and x-direction is parallel to surface
rA=lA, rB=lA+lB
T1=Tension is spring 1, T2=Tension in spring 2
NA=Normal acting on block A, NB=Normal acting on block B
xB=0.07m (The extension of spring 2)

For block A (From FBD)
Resolving (y-direction): FAy=mAaAy=NA-mAg=0

Resolving (x-direction): FAx=mAaAx=T1-T2

⇒(mAvA2)/rA=T1-T2For block B (From FBD)
Resolving (y-direction): FBy=mBaBy=NB-mBg=0

Resolving (x-direction): FBx=mBaBx=T2

⇒(mBvB2)/rB=T2And this is where I have become stuck, because I know I can't simply say T2=kxB as this would give the spring constant for a single spring that has extended to a total length of 1.3m. And continuations from this point do not seem to go anywhere e.g. substituting centripetal force of block B into the equation for block A, does not help as far as I can see.
 
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ConorDMK said:
I know I can't simply say T2=kxB as this would give the spring constant for a single spring that has extended to a total length of 1.3m.
why would it do that? T2 is the tension, xB is the extension.
 
haruspex said:
why would it do that? T2 is the tension, xB is the extension.

I thought of it originally, but then I thought it couldn't be because it doesn't require me to use anything from block A, and the block B would be under the same tension at that distance with a single spring, at least I think so. But surely it can't be as simple as to just equate (mBvB2)/rB with kxB?
 
I think I managed to convince myself that (mBvB2)/rB=kxB was wrong because it seemed too easy and didn't involve values from spring 1 or block A.
 
ConorDMK said:
I think I managed to convince myself that (mBvB2)/rB=kxB was wrong because it seemed too easy and didn't involve values from spring 1 or block A.
I don't see how string 2 could tell the difference if string 1 and block A were replaced by an inextensible massless string of the same (current) length.
 
haruspex said:
I don't see how string 2 could tell the difference if string 1 and block A were replaced by an inextensible massless string of the same (current) length.

Thank you for clearing that up for me in my mind. I've been doing this question for the past three days and I kept thinking to myself that the answer couldn't be as simple as I thought it was.
 

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