Two chests connected by a rope in tension

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The problem involves two chests connected by a rope, with one chest moving away from the other. The setup includes geometric considerations related to right triangles formed by the positions of the chests and a ceiling hook. The goal is to determine the speed of the second chest based on the motion of the first chest.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the geometric relationships between the chests and the hook, considering the implications of the right triangles formed. There are inquiries about alternative approaches and the possibility of shortcuts in the reasoning process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested considering the scaling factors of the triangles involved, while others have raised questions about the clarity of the original poster's query. No consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the fixed height of the hook and the lengths of the rope and distances involved. There is an acknowledgment of the competitive nature of the forum, which may influence the clarity of the questions posed.

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Homework Statement


Two chests are connected by a 15 meters long rope attached to a ceiling hook hanging 4 meters high. The chest (1) at 5 meters from the hook has a velocity of 1/2 m/s away from the other chest (2). The chests remain flat on the ground and the rope is under tension.
What is the speed of the other chest?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Let c1,2 be the chests, let h be the hook, let centre be the perpendicular projection of the hook on the ground.
We know the distance c1-centre (right triangle) at any time (1/2 m/s). We also know the distance c1-h (right triangle), h-c2 (length of the rope), hence we know the distance c2-centre (right triangle) at any time. The time derivative of this function at t=0 solves the problem.
Is there a shortcut, another approach? Can you think of any interesting physical or mathematical considerations? I don't think my solution is very satisfactory.
 
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Due to the Darwinian environment of this forum and with all the heavy competition going on, I'd like to bring my post back to the top of the food chain.
Perhaps my question is a little too vague?
 
There are two right angled triangles and for each you know the hypotenuse and base length. In time δt the base of one of the triangles changes by a certain factor, and therefore the whole triangle is scaled by that factor. Can you see how to work out the scaling factor for the other triangle in that time?
 
Scaled triangles? The h(eight) of the two triangles is a constant, but it's an interesting take on a different problem.
 
JanEnClaesen said:
The h(eight) of the two triangles is a constant
Oops, that's a good point.
 
You could consider components of velocities in the directions of the attached ropes.
 

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