Two Compressed Springs -> Unstable Equilibrium

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The discussion focuses on the instability of a system consisting of two identical compressed springs arranged on a frictionless horizontal table. The potential energy of the system is expressed as U(x) = k x^2, where x represents the displacement of the springs. The analysis reveals that any slight vertical displacement of the midpoint leads to an increase in potential energy, indicating that the system is unstable. The participants explore the geometric relationships involved in calculating the lengths of the springs when the midpoint is displaced.

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I will make a crude visualization of this system:

|-------------O--------------|
<-----a------><------a------>

Identical springs: k1=k2=k
Natural Length: l > a

The problem is to prove that the system is unstable.

Obviously, a slight movement directed off the horizontal axis will cause the springs to unstretch to a natural position vertically above or below the current position. The setup is arranged on a frictionless horizontal table.
I know that the second derivative of the potential energy will tell me about the stability, so I am trying to write down the potential energy. My problem is how to write down the 'x' for the two springs, i.e.

U(x) = \frac{1}{2} k x^2_1 + \frac{1}{2} k x^2_2 , x_1=x_2
U(x) = k x^2

I suppose it is just a geometry question, but I'm not sure to find that compressed length x.
 
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Let's say that the 'midpoint' is displaced upwards by some distance d. Can you calculate the length the springs would have then?
 
so, if I take my orgin at the far left, with l_o the natural length.

x = l_f - l_o
x = \sqrt{a^2 + d^2} - l_o

so, now I need to replace d, right?

d = \sqrt{(l_o + x)^2 - a^2}

but that can't be right, because I would have x = x(x). I must be missing something.
 
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Presumably if the net force is greater than zero, in either up or down then the system is unstable.

What is the net force if O is displaced upward by d?

If the springs were constrained in the horizontal, then one could establish an equation for SHM with one spring a+x(t) and the other a-x(t).
 

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