Two Compressed Springs -> Unstable Equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around a system of two compressed springs arranged on a frictionless horizontal table. The original poster aims to demonstrate the instability of the system when slightly displaced from equilibrium. The setup involves identical springs with a natural length greater than the compressed length.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the potential energy of the system and is uncertain about how to express the lengths of the springs in terms of the displacement. Other participants raise questions about the effects of displacing the midpoint of the system and the implications for spring lengths.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring geometric relationships and the implications of displacements on spring lengths. There is a focus on understanding the conditions for stability and the net forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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There is a noted complexity in determining the lengths of the springs based on the displacement, and participants are grappling with the relationships between variables. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions about the system's behavior are being questioned.

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I will make a crude visualization of this system:

|-------------O--------------|
<-----a------><------a------>

Identical springs: k1=k2=k
Natural Length: l > a

The problem is to prove that the system is unstable.

Obviously, a slight movement directed off the horizontal axis will cause the springs to unstretch to a natural position vertically above or below the current position. The setup is arranged on a frictionless horizontal table.
I know that the second derivative of the potential energy will tell me about the stability, so I am trying to write down the potential energy. My problem is how to write down the 'x' for the two springs, i.e.

[tex]U(x) = \frac{1}{2} k x^2_1 + \frac{1}{2} k x^2_2 , x_1=x_2[/tex]
[tex]U(x) = k x^2[/tex]

I suppose it is just a geometry question, but I'm not sure to find that compressed length [tex]x[/tex].
 
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Let's say that the 'midpoint' is displaced upwards by some distance [itex]d[/itex]. Can you calculate the length the springs would have then?
 
so, if I take my orgin at the far left, with [tex]l_o[/tex] the natural length.

[tex]x = l_f - l_o[/tex]
[tex]x = \sqrt{a^2 + d^2} - l_o[/tex]

so, now I need to replace d, right?

[tex]d = \sqrt{(l_o + x)^2 - a^2}[/tex]

but that can't be right, because I would have [tex]x = x(x)[/tex]. I must be missing something.
 
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Presumably if the net force is greater than zero, in either up or down then the system is unstable.

What is the net force if O is displaced upward by d?

If the springs were constrained in the horizontal, then one could establish an equation for SHM with one spring a+x(t) and the other a-x(t).
 

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