Two masses attached by a rod orbiting around the Earth

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The problem involves a satellite consisting of two masses connected by a rigid, massless rod, orbiting the Earth at a specified distance. The scenario requires finding the angular velocity of the satellite and the forces exerted by the rod on each mass, while considering gravitational forces and angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the assumption that both masses share the same angular velocity and explore the implications of angular momentum conservation. There are attempts to express the accelerations of the masses in terms of angular velocity and distance.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in clarifying the relationship between the tensions in the rod and the accelerations of the masses. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expressions for tension and acceleration, with acknowledgment of the need to explore the relationship between the two tensions.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the gravitational attraction being negligible between the masses, and the Earth is considered stationary. The discussion also reflects on the need for further exploration of the values of tension and angular velocity.

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Hello guys! I hope you can give me a hand with this one

Homework Statement


A satellite consisting of two masses attached by a rigid-massless rod of length L, are orbiting around the Earth at a distance R from the centre of the earth. During the entire movement the rod stays oriented in the radial direction. Consider the Earth to be stationary and the gravitational attraction between the masses to be negligible.
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A) Find the angular velocity of the satellite and the force the rod exerts on each mass.

Homework Equations


Force of gravity:
For mass 1→ Fg1= -G·Me·m1/R^2

For mass 2 → Fg2= -G·Me·m2/(R+L)^2​

The Attempt at a Solution


First thing I did was to consider the angular frequency of both masses to be the same, so:
For mass 1 → T1 = 2π/ω1

For mass 2→T2 = 2π/ω2​

Thus angular velocity ω must be the same for both masses, (is this correct?)

From the conservation of angular momentum (as there is no net torque), considering the centre of momentum to be the centre of the earth, I have the following:
L=L1+L2 ⇒ L=(m1·R^2 + m2·(R+L)^2)·ω​
And as L is constant then:
ω=L/(m1·R^2 + m2·(R+L)^2)
Finally from the equations of motion I got:
For mass 1→ ∑F = Fg1 + Tension1 = m1·a=m1·R·ω^2

For mass 2→ ∑F = Fg2 + Tension2= m2·a=m2·(R+L)·ω^2
So, from this two equations I seem to have everything I need, but I think I'm missing something here and I just can't see what it is
Thank you guys for your help!

 
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(Ron)^2=-1 said:
Thus angular velocity ω must be the same for both masses, (is this correct?)
Sure.

I don't think introducing angular momentum helps, as you do not know its value.

You can express the accelerations (they will be different) in terms of the angular velocity and the given distances.
 
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Thanks for your help!
mfb said:
You can express the accelerations (they will be different) in terms of the angular velocity and the given distances.
That's really helpful. So from both equations I'll get:
For mass 1→a1 = R·ω^2
For mass 1 →a2 = (R+L)·ω^2
and then
Tension1 = (G·Me/R^2 + R·ω^2)·m

Tension2 = (G·Me/(R+L)^2+(R+L)·ω^2)·m

(m1=m2=m)
But are tension 1 and 2 the same (in absolute value) but opposite? If so then I think that's all, I can sum the two equations above and solve for ω and then replace to find the tension.

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(Ron)^2=-1 said:
But are tension 1 and 2 the same (in absolute value) but opposite?
Sure.
(Ron)^2=-1 said:
If so then I think that's all, I can sum the two equations above and solve for ω and then replace to find the tension.
Right.

Helium is important!
 
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Great, thank you!

I agree, Helium is important!
 

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