Uncountable family of disjoint closed sets

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The discussion revolves around determining the truth of statements regarding pairwise disjoint families of open and closed subsets of ℝ. The original poster presents two statements: one about open subsets being countable and another about closed subsets potentially being uncountable, seeking a counterexample for the latter.

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  • Participants explore the nature of disjoint closed sets, with one suggesting that single-element sets are closed and could serve as a counterexample to the claim about closed subsets being countable.

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There is an active exploration of the properties of closed sets, with some participants questioning the implications of the original poster's reasoning. A potential counterexample involving single-element sets is discussed, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the claims being made.

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The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding the definitions and properties of closed sets in ℝ, as well as the implications of countability in this context. The original poster's request for a counterexample indicates a focus on understanding the underlying principles rather than arriving at a definitive answer.

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Homework Statement


Determine whether the following statements are true or false
a) Every pairwise disjoint family of open subsets of ℝ is countable.
b) Every pairwise disjoint family of closed subsets of ℝ is countable.

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part (a) is true. we can find 1-1 correspondence with rational numbers

But part (b) I know it is false. I need a counter example. Could you help me with that?


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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sazanda said:

Homework Statement


Determine whether the following statements are true or false
a) Every pairwise disjoint family of open subsets of ℝ is countable.
b) Every pairwise disjoint family of closed subsets of ℝ is countable.

Homework Equations


part (a) is true. we can find 1-1 correspondence with rational numbers

But part (b) I know it is false. I need a counter example. Could you help me with that?


The Attempt at a Solution


You are probably thinking too hard. Think of sets consisting of a single element. Those are closed, yes?
 
Dick said:
You are probably thinking too hard. Think of sets consisting of a single element. Those are closed, yes?

Let me clarify myself.
let X be a collection of disjoint closed sets. Define X := { {x} such that x in ℝ }
{x}_1 is the one of the disjoint closed set.
{x}_2 is another disjoint closed set.
and so fourth
{x}_i is the another disjoint closed set
Since ℝ is uncountable X must be uncountable.

Is this what you mean?
 
the way you are listing the {x}_i, makes it look as if X is countable.

but in fact, |X| = |U(x in R){x}| = |R|, because we have a bijection from X to R:

{x}<---> x
 

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