Under-the-Ice Prototype Rover for Europa

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The discussion centers around a prototype rover designed for exploration beneath the ice of Europa, a moon of Jupiter. Participants explore its design, operational challenges, and the implications of its potential discoveries, touching on theoretical aspects of Europa's ice thickness and the rover's capabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express excitement about the rover's ability to navigate under ice, referencing its tests in extreme environments like Alaska and Antarctica.
  • Concerns are raised about the thickness of Europa's ice, with estimates ranging from 15 to 25 kilometers, and some suggesting it could be thinner, which could affect the rover's deployment.
  • Questions arise regarding the rover's power source, with speculation about the use of nuclear power versus solar panels, given the ice's depth.
  • Participants discuss the need for the rover to operate independently on Europa, as it would not have a tethered connection like in its prototype tests.
  • Details from a linked article highlight the rover's testing duration and its noninvasive approach to studying potential life forms beneath the ice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the innovative nature of the rover and its potential applications, but there are multiple competing views regarding the ice thickness on Europa and the rover's operational capabilities, particularly concerning power sources and tethering.

Contextual Notes

Discussions about the ice thickness rely on theoretical and observational data, with some participants noting the uncertainty in these estimates. The operational challenges posed by the ice's depth and the rover's power requirements remain unresolved.

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TL;DR
NASA has tested a rover to explore the underside of the ice surface of Europa
NASA'a rover prototype floats up to the bottom of the surface ice and rolls around looking at things.
It has been tested in Alaska and the Antarctic.
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This NY Times article has videos of it moving around and of what it sees under the Antarctica ice.
 
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How cool is that... :smile:
 
They would have to get it down there first.
How thick is the ice in/ on Europa?
Get it halfway down and the hole freezes over - poor thing.:nb)
 
I was wondering about that.
As I recall kilometers thick.

Here's what NASA says:
Theory and observation indicate that Europa's icy shell is around 15 to 25 kilometers (10 to 15 miles) thick, overlying an ocean approximately 60-150 kilometers (40 to 100 miles) deep. Support for this hypothesis comes from observations of pits, domes, and spots on Europa's surface. The size and spacing of the features suggests that they are due to churning within the ice shell, and theory suggests that such churning (called convection) can occur only if the shell is between greater than about 15 kilometers thick. Measurements of the height of domes on Europa (up to a kilometer or just over half a mile high) also suggest that the ice shell must be fairly thick for the domes to be so tall. Some scientists have argued that the ice shell might be thinner, only a few kilometers thick.
 
berkeman said:
How cool is that... :smile:
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But yes, I agree. A floating robot ambling around on the underside of ice is rather brilliant. What's its endurance, does anyone know?
 
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Maybe nuclear power onboard? Certainly no solar panels down there. Is is plausible that they use nuclear power to melt its way down through the ice cap?
 
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This prototype I believe is tethered, for the signals and perhaps power.
On Europa it would have to be on its own.
 
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256bits said:
This prototype I believe is tethered, for the signals and perhaps power.
On Europa it would have to be on its own.
I think it would need to be tethered to a lander on the surface. I don't think you can radio through 10 km of ice.
 
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From the linked article:
A fourth, critical test kept it submerged beneath the ice for 42 hours and 30 minutes. Andy Klesh, the project’s lead engineer, drove the rover using a laptop. While the rover can be piloted via satellite connection, during this mission, Dan Berisford, a mechanical engineer, carefully fed it a thin yellow tether.

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To study such life, any undersea rover would need to be noninvasive.“While the thrusters of a normal underwater remote-operated vehicle can jet-blast delicate algaes off the bottom of ice sheets during close encounters, Bruie gently tiptoes beneath them,” said Daniel Arthur, a technologist who works with Caltech and the University of Western Australia.

The rover analyzes the ice-ocean interface passively and at consistent distances, drawing little power — especially relative to submarine-type drones. “Power will be in short supply on Europa,” Dr. Arthur said, “and we don’t want a propeller obliterating humanity’s first encounter with extraterrestrial life.”

Bruie = Buoyant Rover for Under-Ice Exploration
 
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Thanks - I recall reading the second sentence of our first quote but missed the first... somehow. o0)
 

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