Undergraduate Mechanics (Problem with force expressed as basis vectors)

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving force expressed in terms of basis vectors. The original poster questions the validity of the solution provided in their textbook, particularly regarding the magnitude of a vector and the values of trigonometric functions related to an angle.

Discussion Character

  • Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to verify the correctness of the solution by calculating the magnitude of a vector and comparing it to expected values for unit vectors. They also question the accuracy of trigonometric values associated with an angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out that the problem does not require basis vectors to be unit vectors, despite one being specified as such. There is ongoing clarification regarding the notation used for the basis vectors and the implications of that notation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the angle in question may not be exactly 60°, which could affect the calculations. The discussion also touches on the conventions of notation for vectors and the mathematical flexibility regarding the lengths of basis vectors.

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Homework Statement


The problem along with its solution is attached as Problem 1-2.jpg.

Homework Equations


Norm of a vector.

The Attempt at a Solution


Starting from the final answer of the solution, sqrt((-0.625)^2 + (0.333)^2) == 0.708176532 != 1. Did the book do something wrong? I ask because, a unit vector should have a magnitude of 1. Also, sin(ϕ) = sin(60°) should equal 0.866025404 rather than 0.883 and cos(ϕ) = cos(60°) should equal 0.5 instead of 0.470. Am I missing something here?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
 

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It looks like they're not requiring the basis vectors to be unit vectors (although they've specified e1 to be of unit length). Also, the angle ##\phi## is actually not precisely 60°, which you can work out from the calculated side lengths of the small triangle.
 
Thanks for pointing those out; I've now confirmed the numbers are correct in the solutions. Just to make sure I understood you correctly, it is wrong that they put a caret (^) on top of the e_2 basis vector, right? Other than that everything is correct, right?
 
s3a said:
Thanks for pointing those out; I've now confirmed the numbers are correct in the solutions. Just to make sure I understood you correctly, it is wrong that they put a caret (^) on top of the e_2 basis vector, right? Other than that everything is correct, right?
In general the caret on a variable can simply be taken to mean that it is a vector. Some publications use it to imply that the vector is a unit vector of a basis set in order to distinguish them from other vector variables. It is not a mandatory restriction, and in fact there's no mathematical necessity for basis vectors to be measured in units that make them have length "1", even if it is a practical convenience. So while it may not be conventional or esthetically pleasing to have the caret on the e2 basis vector when it's not of unit length, it's not technically incorrect.
 
Thanks again :).
 

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