Undergraduate textbooks and lectures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges first-year undergraduate engineering students face when engaging with textbooks compared to lectures and visual learning resources. Participants explore the perceived complexity of textbooks and the effectiveness of different learning approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether undergraduate textbooks are intentionally complex to discourage students from pursuing their degrees.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may lie in the student's attitude towards learning rather than the textbooks themselves.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in digesting textbook information due to complicated symbols and a preference for intuitive understanding before engaging with mathematical concepts.
  • It is proposed that students need to actively engage with the material through problem-solving and discussions with peers to truly understand the subject matter.
  • There is an emphasis on the importance of learning the mathematical language of engineering and science to facilitate comprehension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the textbooks are inherently convoluted or if the challenges stem from the students' learning approaches. Multiple views on effective study habits and the nature of textbooks remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of comfort with different learning methods, highlighting the subjective nature of understanding complex material. The discussion reflects a range of experiences with textbooks and the necessity of adapting study strategies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for first-year engineering students, educators seeking to understand student challenges, and anyone interested in the dynamics of learning in STEM fields.

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Hi, so I'm a first year undergraduate in engineering science. I guess my main question is, are all undergrad textbooks purposely convoluted to scare us from our degrees? Let me explain.
I enjoy my lectures, I feel like the notes are very useful, but whenever my tutors or lecturers refer us to undergrad textbooks for wider reading of problems I feel like I can not understand a word. Maybe I'm just a more visual learner (i.e. videos) but I feel like if they're being recommended they must be for my level. Have I not found the right books?
 
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hello sulhar, :welcome: !

sulhar said:
main question is, are all undergrad textbooks purposely convoluted to scare us from our degrees
On the contrary

sulhar said:
Have I not found the right books?
To me it seems you haven't found the right attitude. Bingeing on youtube videos is not the same thing as undertaking a serious study of a particular subject.

Did you have the same problems with math earlier on ?
 
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BvU said:
hello sulhar, :welcome: !

On the contrary

To me it seems you haven't found the right attitude. Bingeing on youtube videos is not the same thing as undertaking a serious study of a particular subject.

Did you have the same problems with math earlier on ?
Hi,
You're probably right. I'm just used to taking a more intuitive approach before jumping into the numbers (to be fair I've always managed to understand the actual computations better after having done this first). From the books I've tried to consult I just can't seem to digest the information the author is trying to put across because I get caught up in the complicated symbols and the maths becomes less intuitive to me.

I guess I'm asking that if I'm finding a textbook difficult to digest, does this mean I need to find something maybe slightly different (as in an author who takes a slightly different approach) or should I be able to figure it out?
 
At one point you have to sit down and figure it out. You haven't understood a topic, when you are not able to understand the math and finally being able to apply it to problems. The right approach is, indeed, to first try to understand a phenomenon intuitively but then to learn the adequate language of the natural and engineering sciences, which is math. It's particularly important to get as soon as possible used to an active approach, i.e., to solve problems yourself, discuss difficulties with other students, ask your tutor/professor when you can't get a problem solved after considerable effort, etc. Just sitting in the lecture or (even worse) watching a Youtube movie often one gets the wrong impression to have "understood everything" (particularly when the lecturer is good!). You can only find out, whether you have understood something by doing problems and/or trying to explain it to other people. It's thus so important to find some fellow students with whom you can study the problems together (but also be sure to be able to solve the problems for yourself).
 
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