Understanding Audio Transformers: Passing Multiple Signals to Secondary Winding

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of audio transformers when multiple signals are applied to the primary winding. Participants explore whether an audio transformer can pass multiple frequencies simultaneously to the secondary winding, considering aspects such as impedance, frequency response, and signal characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if an audio transformer will pass multiple frequencies (200Hz, 300Hz, 1000Hz) to the secondary winding, expressing a belief that it will.
  • Another participant confirms that while multiple signals can pass, the transformer's impedance is frequency dependent, leading to different attenuation and phase shifts for each frequency.
  • A third participant notes that audio transformers are designed for a flat response within the audio range and can pass combined signals faithfully, but emphasizes the importance of impedance matching in the circuit.
  • One participant suggests that connecting a signal generator to the primary winding should yield a signal on the secondary winding.
  • Another participant agrees, stating that the nature of the signal on the secondary depends on the transformer and signal generator, and advises creating a suitable terminating pad for both input and output.
  • A later reply reiterates that connecting a signal generator should produce a signal on the secondary, with the phase depending on the connection of the oscilloscope probe.
  • One participant clarifies that while multiple frequencies can be applied, the secondary can only show one resultant voltage at a time, resulting in a complex waveform rather than individual sine waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the behavior of audio transformers with multiple signals. While there is agreement that signals can be passed, there is no consensus on how these signals manifest on the secondary winding, particularly regarding the resultant waveform and phase relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the frequency-dependent nature of impedance and the implications for signal transmission, but do not resolve the specifics of how these factors interact in practice.

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Will an audio transformer pass multiple signals at the same time to the secondary winding. For example if there is 200Hz 300Hz and 1000Hz on the primary winding, will there be 200Hz 300Hz and 1000 Hz on the secondary. In my opinion it will but I just wanted to confirm this.
 
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Yes, but remember that the transformer's impedance is frequency dependent. That means that each frequency going through will experience different attenuation and phase shifting.

Transformers are mutual inductors. Inductors block high frequencies because the impedance rises with (f). Also, transformers cannot transmit a DC current. That means that transformers will tend to block really low frequencies and choke higher frequencies.
 
You did say an audio transformer, so the transformer should be designed to have a reasonably flat response within the audio range.
It will also be able to pass an audio signal, which usually comprise many frequencies jumbled together, as faithfuly as possible.

So I would not be worried about passing a few combined signals.

However, as Oke says, it is impedance that is important with audio tansformers. Their usual purpose is impedance matching between parts of a circuit that have vastly different and incompatible impedances such as a mcirophone or record pickup and an amplifier input or a loudpeaker and an amplifier output. The source and load impedances are important factors, rather than input and output voltages or currents.
 
So if I connected the primary winding to a signal generator, there should be a signal on the secondary winding.
 
Yes I would expect to see a signal, but it rather what signal rather depends upon the transformer and the signal generator. You would also be well advised to create a suitable terminating pad for both the transformer input and output.
 
Idea04 said:
So if I connected the primary winding to a signal generator, there should be a signal on the secondary winding.

Yes. It will either be in phase or 180 degrees out of phase, depending on how you hook up your 'scope probe and ground clip.
 
Idea04 said:
Will an audio transformer pass multiple signals at the same time to the secondary winding. For example if there is 200Hz 300Hz and 1000Hz on the primary winding, will there be 200Hz 300Hz and 1000 Hz on the secondary. In my opinion it will but I just wanted to confirm this.

The secondary can only have one voltage across it at a time, so at anyone moment, you would just see the resultant voltage of the three output frequencies.

If you looked at it with an oscilloscope, you would see a complex waveform, not the individual sinewave inputs.
 

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