Understanding B and H Fields: A Thought Experiment on Magnetic Field Propagation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of iron filings in a thought experiment involving a current-carrying wire placed within a hollow cylinder filled with baby oil and iron filings. Participants explore the implications of magnetic fields (B and H fields) and whether the iron filings will move in circles or simply orient themselves around the wire.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • JoAr proposes a thought experiment to understand the movement of iron filings around a current-carrying wire, questioning whether they will move in circles or just align in a circular pattern.
  • JoAr seeks clarification on the nature of the magnetic field's effect on the iron filings, specifically whether they experience a constant angular force.
  • Another participant suggests that the iron filings will line up in a circular pattern and remain stationary, indicating that they will not move but rather orient themselves according to the magnetic field.
  • The concept of the "right hand thumb rule" is mentioned to explain the orientation of the iron filings based on the direction of the magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on whether the iron filings will move in circles or simply orient themselves without movement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the dynamics of the filings in relation to the magnetic field.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions about the behavior of iron filings in a magnetic field and the conditions under which they might move or remain stationary.

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Hey everyone,

I'm learning about B and H fields in electromagnetic waves and propagation class. Trying to wrap my head around the idea that magnetic fields wrap around current carrying wires.

Consider this:

If you were to take a clear, hollow cylinder, drill a hole at both ends, run a copper wire concentrically down the middle, fill it with baby oil and iron filings and seal both ends.

Then energize the wire with a voltage so that constant current flows...

Describe the movement of the iron filings.

I'm curious - will they actually start moving in circles around the wire?

Cheers and Thanks!

JoAr
 
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I know this.
That doesn't answer my question.

To say that B will circle the wire - does it imply that the iron filings will actually start moving in circles around the wire? Aka will they actually receive a constant angular force? Or will they simple orient themselves in a circular fashion and sit there?

Thanks,

JoAr
 
They will line up in a circular pattern as represented by the blue arrows. With a constant current in the conductor, the fillings will just arrange in that pattern and set there. Notice that each filling will actually be magnetize with it polarization (north/south) determined by use the "right hand thumb rule" as illustrated.
 

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