Understanding Basic Circuits: Solving Voltages and Setting Up KVL Equations

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The discussion revolves around understanding basic circuit analysis, specifically focusing on determining the direction of voltage flow in circuits and setting up Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) equations. Participants explore concepts related to voltage sources, resistor voltages, and the assumptions needed for circuit analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the direction of voltage flow from batteries and whether this is different from resistor voltages.
  • Another participant suggests that one should assume a direction for current if not provided, and if the polarity of the voltage source is unknown, one must guess which side is positive or negative.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the Thevenin equivalent and seeks online resources for better understanding, particularly in circuits with multiple components.
  • It is noted that one should consistently guess a direction for each current, and if the resulting calculation yields a negative value, it indicates the current flows in the opposite direction than assumed.
  • Some participants argue that assuming the direction of battery voltages may lead to incorrect answers, while others clarify that polarities for resistors are not assumed in the same way.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of understanding standard symbols in circuit diagrams to avoid confusion and ensure clarity in communication.
  • One participant mentions that assuming a direction for current will not yield a wrong answer, but rather a negative result indicates the actual flow is opposite to the assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the assumptions made about voltage directions, particularly for batteries versus resistors. There is no consensus on the best approach to determining voltage flow, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of circuit symbols and the implications of assuming current directions, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

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http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6926/ccts3lg1.th.jpg

I understand how to solve these...kinda, how do you know what way the voltages are flowing? I always thought that wou were just suppose to draw a direction and the equations will work themselves out (Or is this just for resistor voltages?)

How do you know what way the voltages from the batteries are flowing, so I can set up KVL equations?


Thanks.
 

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suspenc3 said:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6926/ccts3lg1.th.jpg

I understand how to solve these...kinda, how do you know what way the voltages are flowing? I always thought that wou were just suppose to draw a direction and the equations will work themselves out (Or is this just for resistor voltages?)

How do you know what way the voltages from the batteries are flowing, so I can set up KVL equations?


Thanks.

Your image isn't showing up, but i'll try to answer your q's without. You assume a direction for the current, if the direction is not given. If they don't give you the polarity of the voltage source, then you just have to assume which side is + or -.
 
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I just attached it too, it might take a while to get approved though. I drew in my guesses, i think that the long line is (+) and the short line is (-)?

Also, I really don't understand thevenin equivalents, do you know of any good online tutorials or anything?All the book examples only have resistors in the circuits, but I have questions with a bunch of batteries, resistors and current sources.
 
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Just like summing up forces and torques, you are supposed to arbitrarily guess a direction for each current and be consistent with it. If the math gives you a negative answer, then you know the current actually flows in the opposite direction
 
yeah, but doing that gives you the wrong answers, at least "assuming" the direction of battery voltages, don't you only "assume" resistor voltage directions? I think I figured out how to know what direction it flows in though (batteries).
 
Yea, you don't assume polarities for resistor voltages. What I meant about assuming polarities for voltages sources, is when the question asks you find the polarity of the voltage source. In your case, the polarities are given.
 
suspenc3 said:
i think that the long line is (+) and the short line is (-)?

That's right. You need to learn what the standard symbols for drawing circuit diagrams mean, otherwise you will not make much progress! The main point of having standard symbols is to give the all the information clearly, and without needing words to explain the details every time.
 
suspenc3 said:
yeah, but doing that gives you the wrong answers, at least "assuming" the direction of battery voltages, don't you only "assume" resistor voltage directions? I think I figured out how to know what direction it flows in though (batteries).

some sources will absorb power, and some will supply power. You can't always tell by looking at it which way the current is flowing, and thus you must assume a direction and solve from there. Assuming that current flows in one direction will not give you a wrong answer, it will give you either a positive or negative answer. If it is negative, it simply means that the current is flowing in the opposite direction than you assumed, but you didn't get the "wrong answer".
 

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