Understanding Beer-Lambert Law at Low Concentrations: A Biologist's Dilemma

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The discussion revolves around the Beer-Lambert Law, particularly its application at low concentrations in the context of a biologist's experimental data. Participants explore the implications of linearity in absorbance versus concentration and the challenges faced when interpreting data from diluted samples.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant mentions their experimental setup involving a dilution factor of 10 and presents a calibration curve with a specific equation and R² value, questioning how to interpret absorbance values below a certain threshold.
  • Another participant suggests making the linear fit go through the origin and using only lower concentration data points, proposing a model that includes higher-order terms to account for non-linearity at higher concentrations.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the suggestion to include higher-order terms, emphasizing the need for a linear calibration curve and mentioning their supervisor's advice on categorizing low absorbance values.
  • One participant argues that the slope of the graph at low concentrations may be higher than at larger concentrations, suggesting that this could lead to overestimation of absorbance for high concentrations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the calibration curve and the appropriate modeling of the data. There is no consensus on whether to maintain a linear model or to incorporate higher-order terms for better accuracy.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their models and the potential for underestimation of higher concentrations based on their fitting methods. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately representing absorbance data across varying concentration levels.

Thiago Augusto
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Dear All,

I am PhD student in nanomaterials, and a biologist trying to find the way to understand Beer-Lambert Law. Considering that only at low concentrations the relation between concentration and absorption is linear, I diluted a high concentration sample, dilution factor 10, resulting an adjustment curve, R2 = 0.9592, Equation, x = (y + 0.2118)/0.0071. How should I consider low concentrations samples, considering values below 0.2118 in absorbance (not negative values)?
 

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I would suggest you make the line go through the origin and perhaps make the best linear fit using just points with lower concentrations. ## \\ ## Additional idea: The straight line that you have obtained is actually the result of what appears to be a less than linear response for higher concentrations. Your data is most likely quite accurate=Instead of the equation being ## y=Ax ##, it contains higher order terms which could be modeled as ## y=Ax-Bx^2 ## where ## B ## is a small positive constant and ## -Bx^2 ## is the approximate correction term. I believe you could do a least squares fit or something similar for the curve ## y=Ax-Bx^2 ## to determine the constants ## A ## and ## B ##. For small ## x ##, the equation ## y=Ax-Bx^2 ## becomes ## y=Ax ## to a very good approximation.
 
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Charles Link said:
I would suggest you make the line go through the origin and perhaps make the best linear fit using just points with lower concentrations. \\

Thank you for your reply. If I apply low concentrations values, which fits better my predicted values, the higher concentrations will be underestimated.

Charles Link said:
Instead of the equation being y=Axy=Ax y=Ax , it contains higher order terms which could be modeled as y=Ax−Bx2y=Ax−Bx2 y=Ax-Bx^2 where BB B is a small positive constant and −Bx2−Bx2 -Bx^2 is the approximate correction factor.

I did not get your additional idea yet, since the calibration curve must be linear. Moreover, my Supervisor suggested me to categorize the low values, for instance, absorbances below 0.2118 should be presented as <10 microliters per mililiter solution. It is an addaptive resolution to go throw.
 
Thiago Augusto said:
Thank you for your reply. If I apply low concentrations values, which fits better my predicted values, the higher concentrations will be underestimated.
I believe the slope of the graph at low concentrations is actually higher than for larger concentrations=which means that your line ## y=Ax ## will overestimate the value of ## y ## for high concentrations. The mathematics here is actually very much what one would expect. Your data set looks to be very good.
 
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