Understanding Bidirectional Level Shifter for 3.3V to 5V & 5V to 3.3V

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The discussion revolves around the operation and design of a bidirectional level shifter for converting signals between 3.3V and 5V systems. Participants explore the functionality of the circuit, particularly how it handles signal transmission in both directions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the level shifter operates when shifting from 5V to 3.3V, particularly regarding the conditions when the drain is at 0V.
  • Another participant explains that when the source is at 3.3V, the MOSFET does not conduct, allowing the drain to be at 5V, and when the source is at 0V, the MOSFET conducts, bringing the drain close to 0V.
  • Some participants express the need for the circuit to function bidirectionally, indicating that the setup must accommodate signal transmission from right to left as well.
  • There is a suggestion that a different setup may be required for the reverse direction, with mention of a reverse diode potentially facilitating this operation.
  • One participant confirms that all discrete MOSFETs have a built-in body diode, which may play a role in the bidirectional functionality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the requirements for bidirectional operation, with some suggesting that additional components or configurations may be necessary. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact setup needed for effective bidirectional signal transmission.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific conditions under which the MOSFET operates, but there are unresolved assumptions about the circuit's design and the role of the body diode in bidirectional functionality.

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I stumbled across this ckt - http://husstechlabs.com/support/tutorials/bi-directional-level-shifter/

It says it's a bidirectional level shifter (3.3 to 5v or 5 to 3.3v)

I can't figure out how it would work when level shifting 5v to 3.3v
When the drain is 5v, the source should be 3.3V
When the drain is 0v, the source should be 0v (how can the drain be 0v)?
 
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If the source is at 3.3V, the MOSFET is not conducting, and the drain is at 5V.
If the source is at 0V, the MOSFET is conducting, and the drain is (close to) 0V as well.

Signal transmission goes from left to right.
 
mfb said:
If the source is at 3.3V, the MOSFET is not conducting, and the drain is at 5V.
If the source is at 0V, the MOSFET is conducting, and the drain is (close to) 0V as well.

Signal transmission goes from left to right.

mfb, that part I get. But it says bidirectional level shifter. So it has to work from right to left also.
 
Hmm... I would expect that the other direction needs a different setup.
A reverse diode (some MOSFETS have that included) can bring the left side to "low" if the right side is at 0V.
 
mfb said:
Hmm... I would expect that the other direction needs a different setup.
A reverse diode (some MOSFETS have that included) can bring the left side to "low" if the right side is at 0V.

yup. That's it, its the rev diode.
 
All discrete MOSFET has a built-in body diode. And try read this:
http://ics.nxp.com/support/documents/interface/pdf/an97055.pdf
 

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