Understanding Continuity Equation & Conservation Laws

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the continuity equation in the context of conservation laws, particularly focusing on the local versus global conservation of quantities such as charge and energy. Participants explore the meaning of the term "continuity equation" and whether it can be derived from all conservation laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the terminology of the continuity equation, asking what is continuous in it and why it differs from other conservation laws like momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that nomenclature is less important than the equation's implications, emphasizing that continuity equations apply to locally conserved quantities.
  • A request for examples of globally conserved quantities that are not locally conserved is made, leading to a discussion about energy conservation in classical and quantum contexts.
  • One participant asserts that while charge is conserved locally, it is also conserved globally, which raises questions about the nature of conservation laws.
  • Another participant proposes that energy and angular momentum can be examples of quantities that are locally conserved in fundamental laws but may only be globally conserved in specific Lagrangians.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between local and global conservation laws, with some asserting that local conservation implies global conservation, while others explore the nuances of conservation in different contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the examples of globally conserved quantities that are not locally conserved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of local and global conservation, as well as the specific contexts in which these laws apply. The examples provided may depend on the interpretations of conservation in classical versus quantum mechanics.

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It is about why ## \frac{ d\rho} {dt} = - \nabla \cdot \vec J ## is called continuity equation.
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I understand that from local conservation of charge, we get eqn. 8.4. I don't get why it is called continuity eqn. What is continuous in it?

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Conservation of momentum gives us equation, ## \frac {d\vec p }{dt} = \vec F ##. This equation is not called continuity equation. Can we get a continuity equation from every conservation law?
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Pushoam said:
I don't get why it is called continuity eqn. What is continuous in it?
Nomenclature like this doesn’t matter. It makes no difference why it is called the continuity equation. The important thing is what it says. I would not waste time asking why it is called that.

Pushoam said:
Can we get a continuity equation from every conservation law?
Not global conservation laws. The continuity equation applies for locally conserved quantities.
 
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Thanks.
Could you please give me an example of something which is globally conserved, but not locally?
 
Well, if charge is conserved locally, it is certainly conserved globally.
 
Pushoam said:
Thanks.
Could you please give me an example of something which is globally conserved, but not locally?

Energy. In "classical" circumstances energy is conserved. But on the scale of the universe, it is not necessarily conserved. Also at at the quantum mechanics level, we have time-energy uncertainty.
 
Thanks to all.
 
Pushoam said:
Thanks.
Could you please give me an example of something which is globally conserved, but not locally?
I think that the fundamental laws all involve locally conserved quantities, but you can easily write a useful Lagrangian where something that is locally conserved in the fundamental laws is only globally conserved in your Lagrangian. I think that energy and angular momentum are examples in classical orbital mechanics.
 
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