Understanding Dirac Delta Function: Time Derivative & Hankel Transformation

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The discussion revolves around the Dirac delta function, specifically its time derivative and the implications for Hankel transformation. Participants explore the mathematical properties of the delta function and its behavior in the context of a function defined as a product of the delta function and a spatial distribution.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a function defined as \( q(r,z,t) = \delta(t)Q(r,z) \) and asks how to find its time derivative.
  • Another participant notes that the delta function is a distribution and not differentiable in the classical sense, suggesting the need for generalized derivatives.
  • A later reply attempts to derive the time derivative of the function, proposing that \( \frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t} = Q(r,z) \delta^{'}(t) \) and further manipulates this expression.
  • The same participant concludes with an expression involving \( -\frac{Q(r,z)}{t} \delta(t) \), questioning its physical sense.
  • There is a query about whether the participants understand the concept of a "distribution" or "generalized function."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the delta function and its properties. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the time derivative or the implications for Hankel transformation, as some participants seek clarification while others provide differing viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of differentiating distributions and the assumptions involved in such operations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical steps and the physical interpretation of the derived expressions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying mathematical physics, particularly in the context of distributions, generalized functions, and their applications in physics and engineering.

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Hi All,
I have a problem in understanding the concept of dirac delta function. Let say I have a function, q(r,z,t) and its defined as q(r,z,t)= δ(t)Q(r,z), where δ(t) is dirac delta function and Q(r,z) is just the spatial distribution.
My question are:
1. How can I find the time derivative of this function, that is, \frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t}?
2. will hankel transformation of \frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t} be equal to zero (even when Q(r,z) \neq 0)?

Thank you in advance.
FM
 
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The delta function is actually a distribution, and is not differentiable in the classical sense. In order to consider such differentiation, we have to revert to generalized derivatives. This is done by assuming a certain level of differentiability on f and some vanishing conditions.
-- Kreizhn (post #2)
 
Hi Simon,
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I'm still not totally clear. Can you please be more explicity.
Once again, thank you.
FM
 
Did you read the link?
 
Yes, I did, but I didn't fully grasp it. Anyway, this is what I can come up with, please take a look and let me know if it makes (physical) sense.
Definition: q(r,z,t)=δ(t)Q(r,z)
\frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t} = Q(r,z) \frac{d}{dt}[δ(t)]
\frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t} = Q(r,z) δ^{'}(t)
\frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t} = Q(r,z) \frac{t}{t} δ^{'}(t)
since: x δ^{'}(x) = -δ(x)
Hence,
\frac{\partial q(r,z,t)}{\partial t} = -\frac{Q(r,z)}{t} δ(t)
Thank you for your help
FM
 
Did you understand it well enough to grasp what a "distribution" or "generalized function" is?
 

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