Understanding Einstein's Law of Gravitation in Empty Space

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Einstein's law of gravitation in empty space, specifically the relationship between the Ricci tensor and the Einstein tensor. Participants explore the implications of these tensors in different dimensional spaces and the conditions under which they may or may not imply each other.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why Einstein's law of gravitation for empty space is sometimes identified as Ricci tensor=0 instead of Einstein tensor=0, noting that the first condition implies the second but not vice versa.
  • Another participant asserts that in vacuum, the Einstein equations can be expressed as R_{ab} - \frac{1}{2}g_{ab}R = 0, leading to R=0 and subsequently R_{ab}=0 for flat space.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the Einstein tensor for the surface of a sphere being zero while the Ricci tensor is not, suggesting a potential miscalculation and questioning the equivalence of the two conditions in different dimensional spaces.
  • Another participant proposes that the equivalence of the two conditions may hold in 4-dimensional space but not in 2-dimensional space.
  • A later reply agrees that the equivalence does hold in any number of dimensions except two, where the Einstein tensor is always zero.
  • One participant corrects themselves, clarifying that their earlier statement referred to the contraction of the Einstein tensor=0 in two-dimensional space, not the tensor itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Ricci and Einstein tensors, particularly in relation to dimensionality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which these tensors may imply one another.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about dimensionality and the implications of the tensors, particularly in lower dimensions. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.

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Why is Einstein's law of gravitation for empty space sometimes identified as Ricci tensor=0 instead of Einstein tensor=0. The first condition implies the second one, but not the other way around.
 
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Why is Einstein's law of gravitation for empty space sometimes identified as Ricci tensor=0 instead of Einstein tensor=0. The first condition implies the second one, but not the other way around.

Not true. In vacuum the Einstein equations are

[tex]R_{ab} - \frac{1}{2}g_{ab}R = 0[/tex].

If you contract this equation using [itex]g^{ab}[/itex], you obtain [itex]R=0[/itex]; if you then substitute this back into the Einstein equations you'll find that [itex]R_{ab}=0[/itex] for flat space.
 
For some reason I get that the Einstein tensor for the surface of a sphere is zero, while the Ricci tensor is not. This would be a case of the second condition not implying the first. Have I miscalculated?

Perhaps the equivalence of the two conditions is always true in 4-d space but not 2-d space..
 
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snoopies622 said:
Perhaps the equivalence of the two conditions is always true in 4-d space but not 2-d space..

yes that's your problem I think. Its only in 4+ dimensions that you can have curvature in free space.
 
OK, now I'm getting that the equivalence does hold in any number of dimensions except two, in which case the Einstein tensor is always zero.

Well, what do you know. Thank you both!
 
Oops, that's the contraction of the Einstein tensor=0 in two dimensional space, not the tensor itself.
 

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