Understanding Exterior Algebra: Determinant from Wedge Product

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The discussion centers around understanding the relationship between the wedge product in exterior algebra and the determinant, particularly in the context of linear algebra and calculus. Participants explore the properties of the wedge product, its implications for determinants, and seek resources for further learning.

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  • One participant requests a thorough explanation of how the determinant arises from the wedge product, indicating a desire to understand the fundamental aspects of exterior algebra.
  • Another participant outlines key properties of the wedge product, including its antisymmetry (b ∧ a = -a ∧ b) and linearity, and illustrates how these properties relate to the computation of determinants in two dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used, with one participant seeking clarification on the vectors involved in the example and their relation to unit vectors.
  • A later reply clarifies that the vectors e1 and e2 can be interpreted as standard unit vectors in R² or R³, and explains that the wedge products do not vanish unless the chosen vectors are linearly dependent.
  • Participants suggest resources for further reading, including specific books, while noting that these may not exclusively cover the wedge product or exterior algebra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the wedge product and its connection to determinants. There is no consensus on the best resources or methods for explaining these concepts, and some confusion remains about notation and the implications of the wedge product in different contexts.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the notation and the specific vectors used in examples, indicating a need for clearer definitions and context. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between the wedge product and determinants, with various interpretations presented.

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Can someone please thoroughly explain how the determinant comes from the wedge product? I'm only in Cal 3 and Linear at the moment. I'm somewhat trying to learn more about the Wedge Product in Exterior Algebra to understand the determinant on a more fundamental basis. A thorough website or book would be of great help also.
 
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The wedge product required for this is that it changes sign on alternation, and is linear in either term

ie:
<br /> b \wedge a = - a \wedge b<br />

and
<br /> (a + b) \wedge c = a \wedge c + b \wedge c<br />

and

<br /> a \wedge (b+c) = a \wedge b + a \wedge c<br />(the first assumes one is talking about what is referred to as a simple element, one that can be built up of wedge products of other simple elements).

Note that a consequence of the first is that a ^ a = 0 for any simple element a (for example a vector in the two element case).

As an illustration of how a determinant enters the picture consider the two variable case. The wedge products of two vectors in a plane

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> (a_1 e_1 + a_2 e_2 ) \wedge (b_1 e_1 + b_2 e_2 )<br /> &amp;= <br /> a_1 b_1 e_1 \wedge e_1<br /> +a_1 b_2 e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> +a_2 b_1 e_2 \wedge e_1<br /> +a_2 b_2 e_2 \wedge e_2 \\<br /> &amp;= <br /> a_1 b_2 e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> +a_2 b_1 e_2 \wedge e_1 \\<br /> &amp;= <br /> a_1 b_2 e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> -a_2 b_1 e_1 \wedge e_2 \\<br /> &amp;= <br /> (a_1 b_2 -a_2 b_1) e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> \end{align*}<br />

Observe the determinant above as a factor of the wedge product.

edit. As for books I'd personally recommend Geometric Algebra for Computer Science, and New Foundations of Classical Mechanics (but be warned that neither of these exclusively treat the wedge product and exterior algebra nor are about differential forms if that is what you are looking for).
 
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Peeter said:
The wedge product required for this is that it changes sign on alternation, and is linear in either term

ie:
<br /> b \wedge a = - a \wedge b<br />

and
<br /> (a + b) \wedge c = a \wedge c + b \wedge c<br />

and

<br /> a \wedge (b+c) = a \wedge b + a \wedge c<br />


(the first assumes one is talking about what is referred to as a simple element, one that can be built up of wedge products of other simple elements).

Note that a consequence of the first is that a ^ a = 0 for any simple element a (for example a vector in the two element case).

As an illustration of how a determinant enters the picture consider the two variable case. The wedge products of two vectors in a plane

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> (a_1 e_1 + a_2 e_2 ) \wedge (b_1 e_1 + b_2 e_2 )<br /> &amp;= <br /> a_1 b_1 e_1 \wedge e_1<br /> +a_1 b_2 e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> +a_2 b_1 e_2 \wedge e_1<br /> +a_2 b_2 e_2 \wedge e_2 \\<br /> &amp;= <br /> a_1 b_2 e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> +a_2 b_1 e_2 \wedge e_1 \\<br /> &amp;= <br /> a_1 b_2 e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> -a_2 b_1 e_1 \wedge e_2 \\<br /> &amp;= <br /> (a_1 b_2 -a_2 b_1) e_1 \wedge e_2<br /> \end{align*}<br />

Observe the determinant above as a factor of the wedge product.

edit. As for books I'd personally recommend Geometric Algebra for Computer Science, and New Foundations of Classical Mechanics (but be warned that neither of these exclusively treat the wedge product and exterior algebra nor are about differential forms if that is what you are looking for).

I'm also somewhat confused on notation. The 2 vectors you're using in your example are A= [a1 a2] and B= [b1 b2], correct? Then are the e1 and e2, unit vectors, like i, j, and k? And then what does that final e1 wedge e2 do to vanish when dealing with determinants?
 
e1 and e2 are two vectors that aren't colinear, but they can be i and j if you like. If you use a = a_1 i + a_2 j + a_3 k, and b = b_1 i + ...
then you'll get something like:

<br /> a \wedge b = <br /> \begin{vmatrix}<br /> a_1 &amp; a_2 \\<br /> b_1 &amp; b_2 <br /> \end{vmatrix}<br /> i \wedge j<br /> +<br /> \begin{vmatrix}<br /> a_2 &amp; a_3 \\<br /> b_2 &amp; b_3 <br /> \end{vmatrix}<br /> j \wedge k<br /> +<br /> \begin{vmatrix}<br /> a_1 &amp; a_3 \\<br /> b_1 &amp; b_3 <br /> \end{vmatrix}<br /> i \wedge k<br />

The final wedges do not vanish unless you'll chosen i, j, k to be linearly dependent (which wouldn't be the case if this is your standard orthonormal basis for R^3). The wedge products i^j, j^k, i^k can be thought of as forming a basis in a "wedge product" space in their own right.
 
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