Understanding Hydrides of Group 5 and 6 for Chemistry Exam

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The discussion revolves around the properties and behaviors of hydrides of Group 5 and 6 elements, particularly focusing on their acidity and oxidation states. Participants are exploring these concepts in the context of an upcoming chemistry exam, raising questions about the trends in acidity and the oxidation states of bismuth in its hydrides.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the trend in acidity of hydrides, noting that acidity increases from NH3 to AsH3 but decreases from SbH3 to BiH3, questioning if a similar reverse trend occurs from AsH3 to NH3.
  • Another participant proposes an arrangement of hydrides in increasing order of acid strength: AsH3 > PH3 > NH3 > SbH3 > BiH3, seeking to understand the underlying reasons for this behavior.
  • Questions are raised regarding the oxidation state of bismuth in BiH3 and BiH2-, with one participant suggesting that all Group 5 hydrides are trivalent and proposing that the oxidation state of Bi in BiH3 is -3.
  • A later reply challenges the proposed oxidation state of -3 for Bi, prompting further discussion about the correct oxidation states, with one participant asserting that Bi in BiH3 is +3 and in BiH2- is +1.
  • There is a discussion about the basicity and acidity of bismuth hydrides compared to antimony and arsenic hydrides, with a participant noting that bismuth, being a metal, should be more basic (less acidic) than SbH3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the oxidation states of bismuth or the trends in acidity of the hydrides. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the properties of these compounds.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of acidity and oxidation states, as well as the implications of these properties on the behavior of the hydrides. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and assumptions about these concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students preparing for chemistry exams, particularly those studying the properties of hydrides and their trends in acidity and oxidation states.

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Hello everyone,
this is a question I've asked at another chemistry forum,
and has been bothering me for awhile .
http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=34742.0"

And ... the only only reason I'm posting it here aswell,is causeI have my chem exam on Thursday(the day after tomorrow) and...I'm the kinda idiot(also a blabbermouth) who can't skip a problem unless I'm absolutely sure I've understood it,so... I would really appreciate it if I could find a solution to this before my exams...


And oh...I know I ask a lot of stupid questions ,so if you think this is one of those,just tell me & i won't bother you guys.
(well,i might pester your'll with other questions,but no more pestering after my exams,for atleast a week,promise. :) )

thx.
 
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You say that the acidity of the hydrides increases from top to bottom (from NH3 to AsH3) and that the reverse is seen if you go backwards from BiH3 to SbH3! Wouldn't the reverse also be seen if you go from AsH3 to NH3?

Sounds like someone is asking you a trick question...
 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR REPLYING!

chemisttree said:
You say that the acidity of the hydrides increases from top to bottom (from NH3 to AsH3) and that the reverse is seen if you go backwards from BiH3 to SbH3! Wouldn't the reverse also be seen if you go from AsH3 to NH3?

Er...is that a trick question ?
Sorry if my problem isn't clear,but this is basically what my question is,

\stackrel{\leftarrow}{}
Arranged in increasing order of acid strength
AsH3 > PH3 > NH3 > SbH3 > BiH3

The acidity increases from NH3 to AsH3,then the acidic strength decreases from SbH3 to BiH3 .
What makes the group5 hydrides react this way?
 
What is the oxidation state of Bi in the BiH3 compound? What about BiH2-?

Acidity reaction would be:

BiH3 <--------> BiH2- + H+
 
chemisttree said:
What is the oxidation state of Bi in the BiH3 compound?
All group 5 hydrides are trivalent,so the oxidation state of Bi would be -3

What about BiH2-?
The same. -3 ?

Not sure how to proceed from here.
 
Thanks for the very useful link.
Ok so the oxidation state of Bi in BiH3 is +3 and in BiH2-,it is +1 .
Then,since it's a metal it has to be more basic(i.e less acidic) than SbH3.
But SbH3 and AsH3 are metalloids...?

Can you tell me what I should do next?

thx.
 
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