Understanding Impedance: How to Find Poles and Zeros of a Network

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the transformation of the input impedance expression of a network involving resistors, inductors, and capacitors. Participants are examining the algebraic manipulation required to derive one expression from another, specifically in the context of finding poles and zeros of the network.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to transition from the initial impedance expression to the second expression, seeking clarification on the algebraic steps involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the transformation is simply a matter of algebra, outlining steps such as cross-multiplication and factoring.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of an expression presented, indicating that the initial term should not be included in the final expression.
  • Another reply confirms the presence of a typo in the expression, agreeing with the previous correction regarding the initial term.
  • One participant expresses gratitude after resolving their confusion and arriving at the correct answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the correctness of the expressions presented, particularly about the inclusion of the initial R term in the final expression. Some participants correct earlier claims without reaching a consensus on the algebraic steps.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential missing assumptions in the algebraic manipulation and the reliance on specific definitions of impedance and network configurations. The discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps involved in the transformation.

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Homework Statement



I have some trouble understanding the worked examples below:

Considering the input impedance of the network below:

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##z_{in} = R+ \frac{sL/sC}{sL+(1/sC)}##

##z_{in} = R \left[ \frac{s^2+s/(RC)+1/(LC)}{s^2+1/(LC)} \right]##

Where ##s=j\omega##.

How did they get from the first expression to the second expression?

The Attempt at a Solution



Clearly looking into the network R is in series with the parallel combination of L and C, so we have ##R + L \parallel C## which is the first expression:

##z_{in} = R+ \frac{sL/sC}{sL+(1/sC)}##

We can further write this as:

##z_{in} = R+ \frac{sRL + (R/sC)+(sL/sC)}{sL+(1/sC)}##

I'm really confused. Where does the second expression given above come from? :confused:

Any help is greatly appreciated.

P.S. This is part of a problem about finding poles and zeros of the network. The quadratics in the numerator and denominator of the 2nd expression can be factorized to give the poles and zeros.
 

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Just algebra!
1. cross-multiply
2. factor out R, this means putting a 1/R coefficient in one term.
3. divide numerator & denominator by L.
 
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roam said:
We can further write this as:

##z_{in} = R+ \frac{sRL + (R/sC)+(sL/sC)}{sL+(1/sC)}##

The above expression is incorrect; the initial R+ shouldn't be there. The expression should be:
##z_{in} = \frac{sRL + (R/sC)+(sL/sC)}{sL+(1/sC)}##
 
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Your second equation has a typo (the first R). The thumbnail is correct.
 
Thank you very much, I got the right answer now! :)
 

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