Understanding Inductance: Formulas & Contradictions Explained

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the formulas for inductance, specifically the differences between L = Λ/I and L = Φ/I. It highlights that Λ represents flux linkage in engineering terms, while Φ denotes total magnetic flux in scientific contexts, leading to apparent contradictions in energy calculations. The conversation clarifies that both notations ultimately refer to the same physical concept but are used differently by engineers and scientists. The derivations of inductance for coils illustrate how these differing perspectives can yield consistent results when properly understood. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for reconciling the two approaches in electromagnetism.
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I am confused on the formulas of inductance.

In "Fields and Waves Electromagnetics" by David Cheng:

L = \frac{\Lambda}{I} \;\hbox{ where }\; \Lambda = N \Phi

N is the number of turns on the inductor, \Lambda is called flux linkage and

\Phi = \int_S \vec B \cdot d\vec l

\Rightarrow W = \frac 1 2 LI^2



But when derive energy of inductor in "Introduction to Electrodynamics" by Griffiths. p317 and also later part of Cheng's book gave.

L = \frac{\Phi}{ I} \;\hbox { instead of }\; \frac{\Lambda}{I}

During derivation of energy using magnetic field:

\frac {dW}{dt} = IV

-V=\int_C \vec E \cdot d\vec l =\int_S \vec B \cdot d\vec S = -\frac {\partial \Phi}{\partial t} \;\Rightarrow\; W=\frac 1 2 I\phi

\Rightarrow\; L=\frac{\Phi}{I}

So the two are contradicting and I don't know how to make of it. Can anyone help explain this?

Thanks

Alan
 
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Hello yungman,
I believe engineers and scientists sometimes *like* talking at different frequencies :biggrin: The \Lambda in the former text and \Phi in the latter one are the same:
_ Engineers understand \Lambda=N\phi as flux linkage, where \phi is the flux through 1 round of the coil. So \Lambda is simply the total flux through the coil.
_ Scientists understand as \Phi as the TOTAL flux through the coil.
They are just different notations :wink:
 
Thanks for the reply. This make sense in:

L = \frac{\Lambda}{I} \;\hbox{ vs }\; L = \frac{\Phi}{I}

and in energy equation:

W=\frac 1 2 \sum_{k=1}^ N LI^2 \;\hbox { vs }\; W=\frac 1 2 \sum_{k=1}^ N I\Phi

But then both books went on and defind:

\Phi = \int_S \vec B \cdot d\vec S = \int_C \vec A \cdot d\vec l =LI

Lets look at the calculation of self inductance of a long coil that has radius = a and N turn per unit length. To calculate inductance per unit length using this formula:

\vec B = \mu NI \;\Rightarrow\; \Phi = \int _S \vec B \cdot d \vec S = \mu N I \pi a^2 \;\Rightarrow\; L =\mu N \pi a^2

But if you use:

\Phi = \int_S \vec B \cdot d\vec S \;\hbox{ and }\; \Lambda = N\Phi = \mu N^2I(\pi a^2) \;\Rightarrow L=\mu N^2 (\pi a^2)

So you see you cannot assume the physics book treat \Phi as \Lambda in engineering book.
 
yungman said:
\vec B = \mu NI \;\Rightarrow\; \Phi = \int _S \vec B \cdot d \vec S = \mu N I \pi a^2 \;\Rightarrow\; L =\mu N \pi a^2

The region S (under the integral notation) in this case is actually the total region formed by N turns. This is how scientists work. So the correct calculation for this is:
\Phi = \int _S \vec B \cdot d \vec S = \mu N I \times N \pi a^2 \;\Rightarrow\; L =\mu N^2 \pi a^2

\Phi = \int_S \vec B \cdot d\vec S \;\hbox{ and }\; \Lambda = N\Phi = \mu N^2I(\pi a^2) \;\Rightarrow L=\mu N^2 (\pi a^2)

And in this case, S is the region of just 1 turn. This is how engineers work.

So while engineers go from magnetic flux of 1 turn \Phi_{engineer} then flux linkage \Lambda, scientists simply care about the net effective region which corresponds to the total flux \Phi_{scientist}, which turns out to be equal to \Lambda.
 
I see, thanks for your help. I guess I am the only odd ball engineer here also!:biggrin:

Have a nice day.

Alan
 
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