Understanding Inertia: The Science Behind Paused Physical Systems

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The discussion revolves around the concept of inertia and the behavior of physical systems when they are "paused" and then resumed. Participants explore the implications of pausing a system, the role of velocities, and the principles governing motion in various contexts, including gravitational and atmospheric influences.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a physical system "knows" which way to move after being paused, suggesting that additional information beyond initial conditions is necessary for understanding inertia.
  • Another participant asserts that it is not possible to "pause" a system in reality, emphasizing the conservation of momentum and the inability of objects to change direction arbitrarily.
  • A different viewpoint highlights that the state of a system is defined not only by its coordinates but also by its velocities, implying that setting velocities to zero would alter the system fundamentally.
  • One participant compares the thought experiment to a frame in an animation sequence, suggesting that resuming motion would follow the established dynamics of the system.
  • Another participant references Galileo's gravity experiment to illustrate inertia, explaining that all objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass, which is a function of gravitational acceleration rather than the object's weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of pausing a system and its implications for understanding inertia. There is no consensus on how to interpret the idea of pausing or the fundamental principles involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of their thought experiments, particularly regarding the assumptions made about pausing systems and the definitions of motion and inertia. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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"Paused" physical system

Greetings, physicists and others, who just happen to understand physics. Something is bothering my mind again and I am hoping that some clarity will be given here.
So, here is what I am thinking: if I Pause any physical system and, a bit after, sort of press "play" to continue the system - how does the system "know" which way to move?
For example, for a simple ball thrown in atmosphere there could be, say, back and front air pressure difference, that can provide the direction information .. but if you start the system with just that information, the ball will actually move the opposite direction, because compressed air in front will tend to push the ball in the opposite direction. There must be more information and actual physical reason for the ball to move in the original way instead some other, random, way.
In outer space there could be.. hmm.. blueshift and redshift, which can give you information about the direction and speed of the ball, but what is the reason for the ball to continue moving the way it did?
I guess I am trying to understand inertia, because gravitational (and other) body attraction will continue after the system is resumed due to .. gravity (or EM or other). But even then - how would the system "know" the attracting bodies velocity before "paused"?

And by "pausing" the system I don't mean doing anything mystical to the universe, but more like .. looking, measuring a moving system at any given point in time.
Hope you understand.
 
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We can't "pause" the system. Objects in real life obey certain rules such as the conservation of momentum and cannot change directions on a whim.
 
Drakkith said:
We can't "pause" the system. Objects in real life obey certain rules such as the conservation of momentum and cannot change directions on a whim.

And by "pausing" the system I don't mean doing anything mystical to the universe, but more like .. looking, measuring a moving system at any given point in time.
Hope you understand.
 
The state of a system is not specified only by it's (generalized) coordinates, but also by it's velocities. If you were to "pause" it you would be setting the velocities to 0, which would not be the same system. If you wanted to resume the same system, you would have to restore the original velocities.
 
You could compare your thought experiment to selecting a single frame in a multiple frame animation sequence of frames, such as in a fluid simulation using some 3D modelling and animation software. Freeze framing the pouring of water into a glass, for example. Now press play, and see what happens..
 
and what will happen?
 
The animation will continue until the last frame, of course. In any event, I don't see how this can contribute to your understanding of inertia, which is in itself rather self-explanatory. However, this might help: Remember Galileo's gravity experiment, in which he discovered that no matter what the mass of an object, it will always fall to Earth at the same rate, with an increase in velocity of 32 feet per second every second? It is because of inertia, which is described as the tendency for an object to resist a change in its motion. The heavier the object, the greater that resistance to change is, challenging the intuitive perception that it should fall faster because it is heavier, so how fast a body falls to the surface of the planet is a function of the mass of the planet, not of the falling object.
 

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