Understanding Kaon Behavior: Decays and Predictions by Gell-Mann and Pais

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of kaons, specifically focusing on the decay processes of K mesons into pions and the conversion between a K° and its antiparticle. Participants explore the reasons behind the differing decay rates and the theoretical predictions made by Gell-Mann and Pais, including aspects of energy release and phase space considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the decay process K → 2π is faster than K → 3π, referencing Griffiths' assertion that greater energy release is the reason.
  • Another participant suggests that Griffiths' explanation may be confusing and elaborates on the concept of available phase space for the decay processes, noting the rest energy of the kaon and the energy requirements for the decay into pions.
  • There is a discussion about the conversion between K° and its antiparticle, with one participant asking how this phenomenon can be predicted and another suggesting it can be understood through Feynman diagrams and quantum mechanics.
  • A participant references the Wigner-Weisskopf approximation and the discovery of CP violation in neutral kaons as important concepts related to the conversion process.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of following the chapters in Griffiths' book sequentially to grasp the material fully.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the decay processes and the conversion between K° and its antiparticle. There is no clear consensus on the clarity of Griffiths' explanations, and the discussion includes multiple perspectives on the theoretical underpinnings of these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate that the understanding of the decay processes and conversions may depend on the sequential learning of concepts presented in Griffiths' book, suggesting that earlier chapters provide necessary context for later discussions.

Pedro de la Torre
Hello, I am startfing to study kaons and I can not understand why (or how) We know that the decay process of k → 2 π is much faster than the K → 3π.

In the Griffits´ book he says that: The reason is the energy released is greater.

But I don´t get it.

Can someone explain me this issue a bit?

And, if possible, how could Gell-Mannand Pais predict the conversion between a K° and its antiparticle?
 
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Pedro de la Torre said:
In the Griffits´ book he says that: The reason is the energy released is greater.

But I don´t get it.

Have you read the whole book? Or only that sentence?
 
I am reading it... I am only in the 5th chapter.
 
I think Griffiths's wording is a bit confusing. What he means to say is the following: Take the kaon in the initial state at rest. The energy is given by its rest energy ##m_K c^2##. To decay into 2 or three 3 pions you need more the ##2 m_{\pi} c^2## or ##3 m_{\pi} c^2## of energy, respectively. Thus the available phase space (in terms of the pions' three momenta) is much larger for the decay into 2 than 3 pions, and thus the lifetimes of the CP eigenstates ##K_s## and ##K_l## ("K short" and "K long") are quite different: ##\tau_s=0.895 \cdot 10^{-10} \text{s}## and ##\tau_l=5.11 \cdot 10^{-8} \text{s}## as written in Griffiths's book.
 
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It´s great! thank you!

And about the conversion between the K° and its antiparticle, how can be predicted such phenomenom?
 
Pedro de la Torre said:
And about the conversion between the K° and its antiparticle, how can be predicted such phenomenom?
the question is unclear. Do you mean how one can measure this? or how it can happen?
 
Well, both the ##\mathrm{K}^0## and the ##\overline{\mathrm{K}^0}## can decay to two pions. Now think of this process in terms of Feynman diagrams, it's pretty clear that you can built a loop diagram where a ##\mathrm{K}^0## is converted to a ##\overline{\mathrm{K}^0}##. For a very nice treatment within quantum mechanics (applying the famous Wigner-Weisskopf approximation), including the important discovery of CP violation in the neutral-kaons system (Nobel to Cronin and Fitch 1964) see

O. Nachtmann, Elementary Particle Physics - Concepts and Phenomenology, Springer-Verlag, Berlin, Heidelberg, New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, 1990.
 
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Pedro de la Torre said:
And about the conversion between the K° and its antiparticle, how can be predicted such phenomenom?

See Figure 4.12 in Griffiths. This is why I asked you if you were working through the whole thing. Each chapter builds on the ones before it. You can't jump around and learn the material.
 
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Yes, I did not understand when I saw for first time, but now I have completely understood.

Thank you.
 

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