Understanding Lenz's Law and Induced Currents

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Lenz's law, specifically regarding induced currents and their relationship with magnetic fields. Participants explore the implications of Lenz's law in the context of changing magnetic flux and the behavior of induced currents in coils when magnets are moved closer or further away.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the magnetic field of the magnet would increase as it approaches the coil, suggesting that the magnetic field remains constant while the induced current's field should be the one that changes.
  • Another participant clarifies that the magnetic field from the magnet is not uniform and becomes stronger as it gets closer to the coil, which contributes to the increase in flux.
  • There is confusion about the necessity for the induced magnetic field in the coil to oppose the upward increase of the magnet's field, with participants seeking clarification on the purpose of this opposition.
  • A participant states that Lenz's law indicates that induced current opposes changes in flux as a consequence of conservation of energy, implying that work is required to create induced current.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between the magnetic fields of the coil and the magnet, particularly whether the flux change is dependent on one or both fields.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the induced current is a response to changing flux due to the magnet's movement, aiming to create a secondary field that opposes this change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the implications of Lenz's law, with some clarifying points while others remain uncertain about specific aspects of the law and its applications. The discussion reflects multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about magnetic field uniformity, the definitions of flux, and the specific roles of the magnetic fields involved. These aspects remain unresolved and are points of contention among participants.

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There is something on Lenz's law about induced current and the magnetic field that I don't quite understand. "Apply Lenz's law that when the magnet is brought near the coil, the magnet's magnetic field through the coil increases, and therefore the flux increases."
Here, why the magnet's magnetic field would increase?? No matter if it goes near the coil, I think it keeps the same, instead, the magnetic field created by the current should increase or coming to existence?
"The magnetic field of the magnet points upward. To oppose the upward increase, the magnetic field inside the coil produced by the induced current needs to point downward."
Here, why the magnetic field in the coil needs to oppose the upward increase??!
"When the magnet is brought far away from th coil, the flux decreases, so th induced current in the coil produces an upward magnetic field through the coil that is 'trying' to maintain the status quo."
Again, why it needs to main the status quo? I don't get the purpose of all these. Hope you can explain them to me. Thank you very much.
 
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MIA6 said:
There is something on Lenz's law about induced current and the magnetic field that I don't quite understand. "Apply Lenz's law that when the magnet is brought near the coil, the magnet's magnetic field through the coil increases, and therefore the flux increases."
Here, why the magnet's magnetic field would increase?? No matter if it goes near the coil, I think it keeps the same, instead, the magnetic field created by the current should increase or coming to existence?
The field from the magnet is not uniform--it's stronger the closer you get to the end of the magnet. So when you bring the magnet closer to the loop, the field through the loop is stronger.
"The magnetic field of the magnet points upward. To oppose the upward increase, the magnetic field inside the coil produced by the induced current needs to point downward."
Here, why the magnetic field in the coil needs to oppose the upward increase??!
"When the magnet is brought far away from th coil, the flux decreases, so th induced current in the coil produces an upward magnetic field through the coil that is 'trying' to maintain the status quo."
Again, why it needs to main the status quo? I don't get the purpose of all these. Hope you can explain them to me. Thank you very much.
Lenz's law states that current is induced in such a way as to oppose the the change in flux. This is a consequence of conservation of energy. Having the current oppose the change means that it takes work (a force pushing through a distance) to create that induced current. If it didn't, we could get free current! (That's not going to happen.)
 
Doc Al said:
Lenz's law states that current is induced in such a way as to oppose the the change in flux. This is a consequence of conservation of energy.

Do you mean that when the flux seems to increase,the magnetic field inside the coil will point in the opposite direction of the magnetic field of the magnet, just because of the conservation of energy; when the flux seems to decrease, B in the coil will point in the same direction of B in the magnet? But by the way, flux=BA. here Is B the magnetic field of the coil or the magnet?
 
I mean if it is only either magnetic field of the coil or of the magnet, then it doesn't matter if the other one's magnetic field's direction as I stated before. If you don't understand what I meant, tell me. thank you.
 
Think of the induced current as a response to the changing flux within the loop due to the movement of the magnet. The induced current will be in such a direction as to create a secondary field that opposes the change in flux.

You might find this discussion of Lenz's law helpful: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electric/farlaw.html#c2"

If I missed your point, please ask again.
 
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