Understanding Magnets: How They Work and Their Importance in Flux Lines

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The discussion centers around the principles of magnetism, specifically how magnets attract objects and the significance of magnetic flux lines. Participants express a desire for foundational understanding, including electron-level explanations and resources for further learning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how magnets attract objects and the role of flux lines, seeking resources for a layman’s understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding electromagnetism is essential for grasping how magnets work, noting its complexity and recommending preliminary reading.
  • A participant asks for book recommendations on electromagnetism that start from basic concepts.
  • One participant proposes that the attraction between magnets and magnetic bodies is due to the magnetic fields of electrons combining, specifically mentioning the intrinsic "spin" of electrons in permanent magnets.
  • Another participant questions whether attracted objects prefer to align with the nearest flux line, suggesting this could explain the attraction.
  • A response clarifies that flux lines are not physical entities but rather visualization tools for understanding magnetic fields.
  • A participant acknowledges the explanation about flux lines and continues to seek book recommendations.
  • One participant indicates a preference for online resources over textbooks, suggesting that much information can be found on Wikipedia and similar sites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the nature of flux lines and their role in magnetism. Participants have varying opinions on the best resources for learning about electromagnetism, and there is no agreement on specific book recommendations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the quantum mechanical aspects of magnetism, and there are unresolved questions about the nature of magnetic attraction and the interpretation of flux lines.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to understand the fundamentals of magnetism, including students and enthusiasts interested in electromagnetism and its applications.

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i am very confused by the idea of magnets
how do magnets attract things ? and if they do attract things , then what is the importance of flux lines ?
i mean , shouldn't magnets just align things to the flux lines in the direction of the north pole ?
i want to know how magnets work in principle , down to the electron level , so if there is any video , website , book or even a useful comment please share it with me * in layman high school terms please *
 
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You will need to understand the what electromagnetism is to fully understand how magnets work.Electromagnetism by itself is a very huge topic by the way but its one of the most interesting topics in physics ,so i would recommend you to first read about electromagnetism and then approach your question.
 
B4ssHunter said:
i am very confused by the idea of magnets
how do magnets attract things ? and if they do attract things , then what is the importance of flux lines ?
i mean , shouldn't magnets just align things to the flux lines in the direction of the north pole ?
i want to know how magnets work in principle , down to the electron level , so if there is any video , website , book or even a useful comment please share it with me * in layman high school terms please *

This is a long, long road. Here's a few articles to get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_electromagnetic_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism

(It's okay if you don't understand some of it. Just keep reading and it will make more sense over time)
 
okay thanks a lot , also could you recommend me a book about electromagnetism , something that goes from scratch ?
also , it would be really REALLY helpful , if someone gives me an idea of electromagnetism , just a basic roundup about why do magnets attract magnetic bodies , i understand the idea of paired and unpaired electrons , so is it just electric attraction between unpaired electrons of the magnet and those of the attracted bodies ?
 
B4ssHunter said:
, i understand the idea of paired and unpaired electrons , so is it just electric attraction between unpaired electrons of the magnet and those of the attracted bodies ?

No, it is the result of the magnetic field of these electrons adding together. (At least in a permanent magnet. Electromagnets are different) This magnetic field comes from the fact that the electrons have intrinsic "spin". (Kind of like they are spinning around an axis, but not quite. It's a quantum mechanical effect with no classical analogue)
 
Drakkith said:
No, it is the result of the magnetic field of these electrons adding together. (At least in a permanent magnet. Electromagnets are different) This magnetic field comes from the fact that the electrons have intrinsic "spin". (Kind of like they are spinning around an axis, but not quite. It's a quantum mechanical effect with no classical analogue)

so do attracted objects like to be in the nearest flux line to the magnet ? that would explain the attraction right ?
 
B4ssHunter said:
so do attracted objects like to be in the nearest flux line to the magnet ? that would explain the attraction right ?

Flux lines (aka field lines) aren't real. They are representations of the magnetic field that make it easier to visualize.

From wiki:

A field line is a locus that is defined by a vector field and a starting location within the field. Field lines are useful for visualizing vector fields, which are otherwise hard to depict. Note that, like longitude and latitude lines on a globe, or topographic lines on a topographic map, these lines are not physical lines that are actually present at certain locations; they are merely visualization tools.
 
Drakkith said:
Flux lines (aka field lines) aren't real. They are representations of the magnetic field that make it easier to visualize.

From wiki:

A field line is a locus that is defined by a vector field and a starting location within the field. Field lines are useful for visualizing vector fields, which are otherwise hard to depict. Note that, like longitude and latitude lines on a globe, or topographic lines on a topographic map, these lines are not physical lines that are actually present at certain locations; they are merely visualization tools.
aha , would you still recommend any good book ?
 
B4ssHunter said:
aha , would you still recommend any good book ?

Can't say I do. I'm an internet kind of guy for the most part. Most of what you want to know can be found on wikipedia or similar sites, honestly. If you want to actually learn the math and the in depth theory then you'll have to get a textbook or take some classes.
 

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