Understanding Path Difference in Convex Lenses

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of path difference in convex lenses, particularly how different rays of light converge at the focus and whether this creates any path difference. Participants seek both mathematical and logical explanations for the behavior of light rays as they pass through a lens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why different rays at varying distances from the optical axis do not create a path difference when converging at the focus of a convex lens.
  • Another participant suggests looking up the concept of optical path difference, noting that rays on the outer edges of the lens travel different distances through air and the lens material.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a mathematical explanation or proof regarding the path difference, indicating they have some understanding but seek further clarification.
  • One suggestion is to explore the thin lens formula, with a caution against delving into thick lenses due to their complexity.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving drawing light rays to all points on the lens surface and calculating the time taken for each ray in air and glass, referencing Feynman's book "QED" as a resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the mathematical reasoning behind path differences in convex lenses, and multiple viewpoints and suggestions for further exploration remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the derivation of the thick lens formula and its relevance to the discussion, indicating a potential gap in understanding that remains unresolved.

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Path Difference in Lenses...

A convex lens will converge all rays parallel to the optical axis to the focus.
Now obviously different rays at different distances from the optical axis will travel different distances in reaching the focus.
So why does this not create any path difference between the rays?
Can someone please give a mathematical as well as a logical answer?
 
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Look up optical path difference.The rays on the outer edges of the lens travel a greater distance through the air but a shorter distance through the lens.
 


Dadface said:
Look up optical path difference.The rays on the outer edges of the lens travel a greater distance through the air but a shorter distance through the lens.
But can you give a mathematical reason for that?
I understood what you mean to say,even I thought of that...but there should be some mathematical reason or poof with that.
If you could give me any reference to this...
 


Try googling thin lens formula.I wouldn't go for thick lenses yet because these are far more complicated.There are also threads in this forum that may help,search for lenses and see what comes up.If I can come up with any other good references I will send another post.
 


Thanks...tried that already.
I've understood the thin lens formula...but I can't get hold of the derivation for thick lenses...I have a feeling that might be useful in proving what we want...
 


You could thrash this out the long way.
Draw a lens. Then draw light rays to all points on the surface and down to the focus.
For n = 1.5 calc the time for each ray in air and in the glass. So that the total time for each ray is the same.
the results will give you the exact profile of the lens.

This is shown quite nicely in Feynman's book QED.
 
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Thanx...Ill check out feynman's book...
 

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