Understanding Point B: Solving for Normal Force at Point B

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The discussion revolves around understanding the normal force at point B in a physics problem involving circular motion. Participants are exploring the relationship between forces acting on an object at different points in its motion, particularly focusing on the centripetal force and gravitational force.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why the normal force is calculated by subtracting gravitational force from the centripetal force. There is confusion regarding the treatment of centripetal force as a resultant rather than an applied force. Some participants are also questioning how to effectively visualize the forces through diagrams.

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There is ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with participants sharing their interpretations and seeking clarification on the relationships between the forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the drawing of diagrams and the application of sign conventions, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to visualize the problem.

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I need help understanding point B
Point A i get.
Normal force at B = m x v2/r - m x g

= 1.68 x 12 x 12 /5 - 1.68 x 9.8

= 31.92 N

I can't make sense of why the forces are subtracting if A radial and MG are both positive
 
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Miliman13 said:
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I need help understanding point B
Point A i get.
Normal force at B = m x v2/r - m x g

= 1.68 x 12 x 12 /5 - 1.68 x 9.8

= 31.92 N

I can't make sense of why the forces are subtracting if A radial and MG are both positive
The centripetal force is not an applied force, it is a resultant force, so you do not add it to other applied forces. Instead, sum of applied forces = resultant.
 
haruspex said:
The centripetal force is not an applied force, it is a resultant force, so you do not add it to other applied forces. Instead, sum of applied forces = resultant.
my textbook says the same thing Sum of forces and Radial Acceleration always point in.

But i still don't know how to draw a diagram that allows me to visually see how the algebra equates the solution,

I keep wasting paper trying to draw it but nothing matches the math
 
Miliman13 said:
how to draw a diagram
The diagram at A would show normal force up, mg down, resultant up: N-mg=mv2/r.
At B, normal force down, mg down, resultant down. How you write that as an equation depends on your sign convention. If you choose up as positive for all forces, N-mg=-mv2/r, N being negative now. Or you can choose down as positive for N and write N+mg=mv2/r.
 

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