Understanding the Classical Euclidean Action in Quantum Field Theory

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The discussion centers around the classical Euclidean action in quantum field theory, specifically examining its structure, interpretation, and the necessary background knowledge for understanding it. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the action, as well as resources for further study.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Euclidean classical action and inquires about the structure of the potential, ##U(\phi)##.
  • Another participant questions the use of the scalar field ##\phi## instead of a position vector ##\textbf{r}## and seeks clarification on interpreting the kinetic term ##(\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)^{2}##.
  • A participant notes that the action is related to a scalar field and explains the difference between field theory and classical particle action.
  • Several participants express their unfamiliarity with the Euclidean classical action and seek guidance on which branch of physics to study, along with recommendations for textbooks or resources.
  • One participant mentions encountering the concept in a paper and suggests that classical field theories are typically covered in quantum field theory courses.
  • A link to a relevant paper is shared, and a participant requests additional reading materials to understand the paper's content.
  • A participant shares their academic background and indicates that they have not yet studied Quantum Field Theory, suggesting it as a necessary area of study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, with some seeking clarification and resources while others provide insights into the nature of the action and its implications. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the action or the structure of the potential, and the discussion remains exploratory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for more context regarding the potential ##U(\phi)## and the integration of temporal coordinates in the action. There are also references to different levels of understanding and background knowledge among participants.

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Students and individuals interested in quantum field theory, classical mechanics, and the mathematical foundations of physics may find this discussion beneficial.

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This is the Euclidean classical action ##S_{cl}[\phi]=\int d^{4}x\ (\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)^{2}+U(\phi))##.

It would be nice if somebody could explain the structure of the potential.

I don't understand why ##\phi## is used instead of a position vector ##\textbf{r}##. Also, how can ##(\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)^{2}## be interpreted as the kinetic energy of the particle? I have integrated the Lagrangian over three spatial coordinates before, but why can the temporal coordinate be integrated over in this expression?
 
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failexam said:
This is the Euclidean classical action

For what? We need some more context to understand what you are trying to do here.

failexam said:
It would be nice if somebody could explain the structure of the potential.

To do that we would need more information than just ##U(\phi)##. ##U## could be anything.
 
failexam said:
I don't understand why ##\phi## is used instead of a position vector ##\textbf{r}##. Also, how can ##(\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)^{2}## be interpreted as the kinetic energy of the particle? I have integrated the Lagrangian over three spatial coordinates before, but why can the temporal coordinate be integrated over in this expression?

Apart from what Peter said, in what you have written down, ##\phi## is a scalar field and ##S## is the action of that field. The field takes a value in each point in space so this is the basics of field theory. If you instead had a single classical particle moving, you would have a different action and the space integral would not be there. You would instead have a time integral only and some function of the particle coordinates and velocity.
 
I am new to this kind of integral and the so-called Euclidean classical action. I was wondering what branch of physics I should learn about to become familiar with this concept and any textbooks or online resources (lecture notes, videos, etc.) you might suggest for that purpose.
 
failexam said:
I am new to this kind of integral and the so-called Euclidean classical action.

Where did you encounter it? It's the sort of thing I would expect to see in quantum field theory.
 
I read it in a paper, actually.

I have seen classical field theories being covered in standard quantum field theory courses, so I guess I'll have to learn that topic to become familiar with what's being discussed.
 
failexam said:
I read it in a paper, actually.

Can you give a link?

failexam said:
I have seen classical field theories being covered in standard quantum field theory courses

Yes, that is usually done, since classical field theories provide the Lagrangians for most quantum field theories.
 
Here's the link: http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0511156

It would be really helpful if you could provide some reading materials for me to fully understand the Section I of the paper.

My background is that I am a fourth-year undergraduate student, and I have done courses only in Quantum Mechanics (Griffiths), Classical Mechanics (Marion and Thornton), Statistical Mechanics (Blundell). I have not studied Classical Mechanics (Goldstein) or Quantum Field Theory (Peskin and Schroeder).
 
failexam said:
I have not studied ... Quantum Field Theory (Peskin and Schroeder).

Then I would definitely study it; it looks like that's the main background you need.
 

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