Understanding the Cyclic Property of Groups

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The discussion revolves around the cyclic property of groups in abstract algebra, specifically addressing the relationship between the order of an element and the order of the group it belongs to.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the order of an element being equal to the order of the group, questioning the necessity of this condition for the group to be cyclic. They also consider the case of infinite groups and provide a counterexample to illustrate the limitations of the statement.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the definitions involved and the implications of the order of the subgroup generated by an element. The discussion includes multiple interpretations and considerations of finite versus infinite groups, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note that the result may not hold for infinite groups and provide a specific counterexample involving the additive group of rational numbers.

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My online notes stated that it |g| = |G| where g is an element of G then |G| is cyclic.

Can somebody help me understand why this is true?
 
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I assume ##|g|## means the order of ##\langle g \rangle##, the subgroup generated by ##g##.

Note that ##\langle g \rangle \subseteq G##.

If ##|G|## is finite and ##|g| = |G|##, then ##\langle g \rangle \subseteq G## implies ##\langle g \rangle = G##. (Do you see why?) What can you conclude?

By the way, the result need not be true if ##|G|## is infinite. For a counterexample, let ##G = \mathbb{Q}##, the additive group of rational numbers, and let ##g = 1##. Then ##\langle g \rangle = \mathbb{Z}##, the additive subgroup of integers. Then ##G## and ##\langle g \rangle## have the same cardinality (countably infinite) but ##G## is not cyclic.
 
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My online notes stated that it |g| = |G| where g is an element of G then |G| is cyclic.

Can somebody help me understand why this is true?

If [itex]|g| = |G|[/itex] is finite, can there exist any elements of [itex]G[/itex] which are not powers of [itex]g[/itex]?
 
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No. If |g|= |G| then, by definition of "| |", g and G contain the same number of terms. Since <g> is always a subgroup of G, it follows that g is exactly the same as G. Since every member of <g> is a power of g, every member of G is a power of g.
 
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thanks yall :D
 

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