Understanding the Derivative of the Cross Product in Dynamics

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of equation (2.20) from (2.19) in the context of dynamics, specifically regarding the derivative of the cross product. The key point is the expression for the derivative of the cross product, which includes terms like Omega X r(dot)' and Omega x (Omega X r'). The paper clarifies that the notation \partial L/\partial \mathbf r' represents the partial derivatives with respect to the components of the vector r', emphasizing that the result in (2.20) is applicable to any rotation vector \boldsymbol \omega, not limited to the z-axis rotation.

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http://damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/dt281/dynamics/two.pdf"

Looking at page 5, equations (2.19) and (2.20)

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I cannot understand how they derived the (2.20), at first from comparing the solutions I had assumed r(dot)' had disappeared as we were differentiating with respect to dr'.

I then went about the derivative of the cross product:

Omega X r(dot)' + ... But in the solution we find Omega x (Omega X r').


Could anyone please help clear this up for me.
 
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What that paper means by [itex]\partial L/\partial \mathbf r'[/itex] is

[tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial{\mathbf r}'} \equiv<br /> \frac{\partial L}{\partial x'}\hat x' +<br /> \frac{\partial L}{\partial y'}\hat y' +<br /> \frac{\partial L}{\partial z'}\hat z'[/tex]

It might be easier for you to see how (2.20) follows from (2.19) by using (2.19) in its first form,

[tex] L = \frac 1 2 m \Bigl((\dot x - \omega y')^2 + (\dot y + \omega x')^2 + \dot z^2\Bigl)[/tex]

The result in (2.20) is a much more general result. It applies to any rotation vector [itex]\boldsymbol \omega[/itex], not just the pure z rotation used in that example.
 

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