Understanding the divergence theorem

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The discussion revolves around the divergence theorem and the concept of divergence in vector fields, particularly in the context of a "Fields and Waves" course. Participants explore definitions, interpretations, and implications of these concepts, with a focus on their mathematical and physical meanings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines divergence as the sum of the partial derivatives of a vector field, suggesting it represents the strength of the vector field at a point.
  • Another participant corrects this interpretation, stating that divergence indicates the total amount of flux entering or leaving a volume at a point.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that divergence theorem relates to the flux being sourced or absorbed by a volume, not through the volume itself.
  • Further elaboration includes that the divergence theorem states the flux diverging from a volume equals the flux passing through the closed surface enclosing that volume.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between divergence, flux, and charge, with one example involving a charge at the center of a sphere and its relation to electric flux.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of divergence and the divergence theorem, with no consensus reached on the initial definitions provided. Some participants agree on the corrected interpretations, while others seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of divergence and flux, as well as the implications of the divergence theorem. Some assumptions about the context of the vector fields and their applications remain unaddressed.

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I'm having some trouble understanding what divergence of a vector field is in my "Fields and Waves" course. Divergence is defined as divE=∇E = (∂Ex/∂x) + (∂Ey/∂y) + (∂Ez/∂z). As far as I understand this gives the strength of vector E at the point(x,y,z).
Divergence theorem is defined as ∫∇Eds, where ds represents the area or volume of the vector field. In other words, I understand it as the overall strength of the vector field at a group of points composing a volume defined by the integral.
Could someone verify this for me?
 
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At least pointing out what's wrong would help.
 
Divergence is not the strength of the field at a particular point. Divergence is the total amount of flux going into or leaving a volume at that point.
 
Thanks, so would it be correct to say that divergence theorem refers to the amount of flux passing through a surface or volume?
 
Almost. Not through the volume, but rather being sourced or swallowed by the volume. For example, you cited ∇E which is often seen as part of one of Maxwell's equations. In this case, ∇E = q, which says the flux leaving a volume (the divergence) is equal to the amount of charge q contained in the volume. The charge q is sourcing e-field flux in this example.
 
thank you all, that was very helpful
 
polaris90 said:
Thanks, so would it be correct to say that divergence theorem refers to the amount of flux passing through a surface or volume?

Divergence theorem just makes it very clear.
What is flux?
Product of normal component of vector field and the surface element.

What is divergence of vector field?
Net flux diverging per unit volume.

What is Divergence?
Positive or negative divergence of a vector field at a point indicates whether the lines of force are diverging or converging at that given point.

By divergence theorem... The flux diverging from a given volume will be equal to the flux passing through the closed surface enclosing the volume.

For your question, the flux as explained above will be 'passing' through the closed surface enclosing the volume and the volume will be acting as the source of flux.

Consider a charge kept at the center of the sphere. The charge enclosed by this volume will be equal to electric flux lines passing normal to the closed surface. So the volume here is the source of flux whereas the flux is passing through the surface of the sphere.

Simple :]

Correct me if i am wrong.
 
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