Understanding the Effects of Skewness and Kurtosis on PDFs - Explained by Josh

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of skewness and kurtosis on probability density functions (PDFs), focusing on how these higher order moments graphically influence the shape of PDFs. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical implications of these statistical measures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Josh seeks clarification or proof on how skewness and kurtosis affect the graphical representation of PDFs.
  • One participant suggests that skewness is determined by whether the contributors to the moments are greater or less than the mean, while kurtosis relates to the distance of contributors from the mean.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the utility of skewness and kurtosis, preferring to graph data against their probabilities instead.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that skewness indicates the relative "fatness" of the tails of a PDF, while kurtosis describes the shape of the peak and the thickness of the tails.
  • Concerns are raised about the simplification of complex concepts, comparing the understanding of statistical measures to the oversimplified analogy of electron orbits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the usefulness and interpretation of skewness and kurtosis, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus on their significance in analyzing PDFs.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of relying solely on skewness and kurtosis, suggesting that further exploration of their definitions and implications is necessary.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying statistics, data analysis, or anyone looking to understand the implications of higher order moments on probability distributions.

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hey pf!

i was wondering if someone could either direct me to a source or help supply a proof on why skewness and kurtosis, from their definitions as higher order moments, graphically affect the pdf in the "skewed" and "flat" way.

let me know if I've been unclear.

thanks!

josh
 
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Other than examining the contributors to the integral (or summation) formulas of the moments I don't know what more can be said. The skewness is positive or negative if the contributors tend to be more from the "greater than the mean" or from the "less than the mean" respectively. Likewise the the kurtosis is large or small if the the contributors tend to be more from the "farther from the mean" or from the "closer to the mean" respectively.
 
You seem to be asking, as x increases, why does xⁿ (n>1) increase faster.
I don't have much use for either metric, as a matter of fact, kurtosis isn't a single parameter, see the relevant wikipedia articles. I like to graph the data vs their probability, that graph really IS useful, imho.
I look at std dev as the simplest way (before computers) to measure the average distance of the population from the mean. If the mean is 0, then -1 is as far away as +1, but adding them gives you a sum of zero, so we make them all positive by squaring them, summing that, then taking the square root. Now, this is just a crude explanation, and the actual formal mathematics is far more elegant. (Its like claiming that electrons orbit atoms like the Earth orbits the Sun). So, what happen if you cube a difference? well the SIGN comes back that is -1³ = -1 and +1³ = +1, so summing the cube up will certainly go negative if most samples of the population are less than the mean, and positive if most are greater, but read the wiki article for qualifications to that. And the 4th moment is just the 2nd squared, so it weighs the larger differences even more.
 
abitslow said:
I don't have much use for either metric

I like them as good single-number indicators of the shape of the PDF. Skew is a good way to indicate if one tail of a PDF is "fatter" than the other. And kurtosis is a good way to indicate if the PDF has a thin peak with fat tails (large kurtosis) or a fat peak with thin tails (small kurtosis).

Its like claiming that electrons orbit atoms like the Earth orbits the Sun)
There is a good reason to distinguish a circular orbit from an elliptical orbit. I see skew and kurtosis as valuable in a similar way.
 

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