Understanding the Electric Field Equation in Electromagnetism

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the electric field equation in electromagnetism, specifically focusing on the mathematical expressions involving the gradient of the distance between two point charges. Participants explore the implications of using different coordinate systems and the mathematical formalism required for proper derivation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation involving the expression $$\nabla \frac{1}{|x-x'|} = - \frac{x-x'}{|x-x'|^3}$$ and questions the validity of the assumption $$\nabla |x-x'| = \frac{x-x'}{|x-x'|}$$.
  • Another participant agrees, stating that it simplifies to $$\nabla r = \vec e_r$$ in spherical coordinates.
  • A participant discusses the use of a Minkowskian metric and attempts to express the vector difference $$x - x'$$ in terms of its components, leading to a complex expression involving derivatives.
  • Concerns are raised about dimensional consistency in the mathematical expressions, particularly regarding the use of $$|\vec x| = x^i x^i$$, with participants pointing out the need for square roots.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial confusion was resolved after addressing the dimensional issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mathematical steps involved in the derivation, with some agreeing on certain simplifications while others challenge the dimensional consistency of the expressions used. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the initial assumptions and derivations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the mathematical expressions, particularly concerning dimensional analysis and the assumptions made about the metric used. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful treatment of vector components and their derivatives.

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I was reading a book on Electromagnetism and it's said on deriving the electric field that $$\nabla \frac{1}{|x-x'|} = - \frac{x-x'}{|x-x'|^3}$$ where ##|x-x'|## is the magnitude of the distance between two point charges. I've tried to derive this result and I found that $$\nabla |x-x'| = \frac{x-x'}{|x-x'|}$$ must be true for the first identity to be valid. Is this right?
 
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Yes, it essentially boils down to ##\nabla r = \vec e_r## in spherical coordinates.
 
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Orodruin said:
Yes, it essentially boils down to ∇r=⃗er∇r=e→r\nabla r = \vec e_r in spherical coordinates.
Thanks. Can you point out where I'm wrong?

I'm assuming a Minkowskian metric, so vectors- and covectors- components are equal. So we have ##|x-x'| = \sum_i(x^i - x'^{\ i})^2##. I guess we need some formalism to express ##x-x'##, because it's a vector. Let's say an arbitrary vector can be written as ##V = V^i \partial_i##. Then ##x - x' = (x^i - x'^{\ i})\partial_i ##. We have then $$ \nabla |x-x'| = \frac{x-x'}{|x-x'|} = \sum_i\partial_i[(x^i-x'^{\ i})^2] = \sum_i\frac{(x^i - x'^{\ i})\partial_i}{(x^i - x'^{\ i})^2}$$
If we apply the derivative on the far right-hand-side on ##|x-x'|##, we get a bad result, namely ##(x^i - x'^{\ i}) = 1##. I guess this can't be right..
 
Why are you using ##|\vec x| = x^i x^i##?? This does not even make sense dimensionally. You are missing some square roots ...
 
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Orodruin said:
Why are you using |⃗x|=xixi|x→|=xixi|\vec x| = x^i x^i?? This does not even make sense dimensionally. You are missing some square roots ...
Oh yea. I got the correct result now. Thank you.
 

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