Understanding the Fundamentals of Solenoid Valve Operation

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The discussion centers on the operation of solenoid valves, particularly focusing on the behavior of the magnetized core within the solenoid and the implications of magnetic fields in this context. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical implications, and seek literature on the degradation of solenoid components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the basic operation of a solenoid valve and poses questions about the movement of the soft iron core in relation to the magnetic field generated by the solenoid.
  • Another participant asserts that electric engines utilize magnetic fields to perform work, implying a connection to the solenoid's operation.
  • A participant challenges the notion that magnetic fields do no work, questioning how this principle applies to the movement of the solenoid core and whether the magnetic field changes the core's velocity.
  • One participant critiques the statement that "magnetic fields do no work," suggesting it is misleading and does not aid in understanding magnetic systems, particularly the attraction of iron to regions of increasing magnetic field density.
  • The original poster seeks clarification on whether the solenoid valve operates due to the attraction of iron to areas of higher magnetic field density and questions the design considerations for the valve's operation.
  • The original poster reflects on a previous misconception regarding the attraction of the core to the ends of the valve, indicating a desire for further literature on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the principle that magnetic fields do no work, with some supporting it and others finding it confusing or misleading. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this principle for the operation of solenoid valves.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific analytical models for solenoid valve behavior as components degrade, and the discussion includes assumptions about magnetic field behavior and design considerations that are not fully explored.

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Briefly, a solenoid valve utilizes a solenoid to move a soft iron core in such a way as to open/close an orifice to allow/inhibit flow of a fluid. I am a bit rusty on my E&M and I have a couple questions about this operation.

1) When a magnetic field is created using the solenoid, the soft iron core becomes magnetized, producing a north and south pole on the core, and essentially becoming a bar magnet. How does this magnetized core behave in the presence of the magnetic field? Since the solenoid will, in general, be short, the magnetic field is non-uniform inside the solenoid, so does that mean the magnetic field causes the core to move? Doesn't this violate the principle that magnetic fields can do no work? If the magnetic field does not cause the core to move, why does the core move?

2) I looked around a bit, but I have not seen any literature showing an analytical model for the behavior of the valve as the coil (insulation and wire) degrades. I've seen equivalent circuit models, but not a more specific model. If anyone has leads on something of this nature, I would greatly appreciate it.


Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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You must be aware that every electric engine uses magnetic fields to do work, aren't you?
 
Sure, I can see that magnetic fields are employed to perform work in electric motors (as well as magnets being used to pick up cars in scrap yards). But there is an absolute principle that magnetic fields can do no work. What is the best way to view the movement of the solenoid core? Is the magnetic field changing the velocity of the core? If so, isn't this work?
 
The statement "magnetic fields do no work" is more confusing than enlightening, and I don't understand it's sudden recent popularity. It is true that magnetic fields do no work on electric charges, and ultimately the work is done by "hidden" electric charges, such as those that hold a piece of iron together, but this is not helpful in understanding how magnetic systems behave - for example, why iron is attracted to regions of increasing magnetic field density.

My advice is to stop treating "magnetic fields do no work" as something deep and fundamental, and more as a footnote.
 
Thanks, but honestly, I wasn't trying to be deep; I am only trying to understand how the solenoid valve operates on a fundamental level. Does it work because "iron is attracted to regions of increasing magnetic field density"? If so, does that mean the valve is designed such that the highest magnetic field density is at the core's final position? In other words, if the valve is designed to close when energized, is the highest field density located where the center of the plunger should be (or one of the core's poles) when the valve is closed? I imagine this location of highest field density is probably at the center of the solenoid (central in terms of its diameter and length). So, the solenoid would need to be positioned such that its center (or one of its poles) is at the same location (or further along the trajectory) as the center of the core when energized.

For a while I think I had the misconception that the core was magnetically attracted to one end or the other of the valve due to the mutual magnetization of the core and the solenoid coil housing. Thanks again for any help. (If you know of any literature on this subject, I would really appreciate a reference.)
 

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