Understanding the Lorentz Group: What does O(1,3) mean?

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The discussion centers around the meaning and implications of the Lorentz group, specifically the notation O(1,3). Participants explore its definition, properties, and the mathematical framework surrounding it, including its relation to orthogonal groups and Lorentz transformations. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of the Lorentz group as O(1,3) and notes that the definition of the General Orthogonal Lie Group seems to apply only to single numbers in the brackets.
  • Another participant explains that the orthogonal group consists of matrices that preserve a symmetric metric, with the signature 3,1 indicating the nature of the metric used.
  • A different viewpoint discusses the representation of SO(3,1) in matrix notation, highlighting how elements involving time are treated differently compared to spatial rotations.
  • One participant elaborates on the meaning of O(1,3) as a pseudo-orthogonal group related to a bilinear form with specific positive and negative principal values, and describes the invariance of Lorentz transformations under this form.
  • There is mention of important subgroups, particularly the special orthochronous Lorentz group, and the conditions that define its elements, such as the determinant and the behavior of time components.
  • Another participant questions the relationship between O(n,ℝ) and O(n), suggesting that they may represent different concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and interpretations regarding the definition and implications of O(1,3) and related groups. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to some definitions and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the definitions and properties discussed depend on specific mathematical contexts, such as the treatment of bilinear forms and the nature of transformations in spacetime. There are also unresolved questions about the relationship between different notations for orthogonal groups.

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I am totally confused about the Lorentz Group at the moment. According to wikipedia, the Lorentz group can be defined as the General Orthogonal Lie Group##O(1,3)##. However, the definition of the GO Lie Group that I know only works when there is a single number inside the bracket, not 2, e.g. ##O(1)##. So, what does ##O(1,3)## mean? Thanks in advance.
 
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The orthogonal group is the set of all matrices Λ that preserve the symmetric metric η under η' = ΛηΛT. Here 3,1 is the signature of η, that is η = Diag(1,1,1,-1).
 
If you look the SO(3,1) in 4*4 matrix notation you will find that in the matrix elements Lαβ with α=0 and/or β=0 the sin(θ) or cos(θ) for rotations is replaced by sinh(η) or cosh(η) for boosts. So you can interpret the the "1" in SO(3,1) as one direction with imaginary rotations transforming sin, cos to sinh, cosh.

The invariant scalar product

<x,y> = x1y1 + x2y2 + x3y3 + ...

is replaced with

<x,y> = -x0y0 + x1y1 + x2y2 + ...
 
The name [itex]\mathrm{O}(1,3)[/itex] means (pseudo-)orthogonal group wrt. the fundamental bilinear form with one positive and three negative principle values in [itex]\mathbb{R}^4[/itex]. In components with respect to (pseudo-)orthonormal vectors this scalar produkt reads
[tex]x \cdot y=\eta_{\mu \nu} x^{\mu} y^{\nu}=x^0 y^0-x^1 y^1-x^2 y^2-x^3 y^3.[/tex]
Then the Lorentz transformations are represented by such matrices that leave this bilinear form invariant for all vectors.

There are important subgroups. The most important one is the special orthochronous Lorentz group, [itex]\mathrm{SO}(1,3)^{\uparrow}[/itex], which is continously connected with the identity matrix. That's the symmetry group of the special relativistic spacetime manifold. The special orthonormal Lorentz group consists of all matrices, leaving the above explained Minkowski product invariant for any pair of vectors, have determinant 1, and for which [itex]{\Lambda^0}_0 \geq +1[/itex]. Since the zeroth component of the four vectors denote time this latter restriction means that the transformation doesn't flip the direction of time.
 
Bill_K said:
The orthogonal group is the set of all matrices Λ that preserve the symmetric metric η under η' = ΛηΛT. Here 3,1 is the signature of η, that is η = Diag(1,1,1,-1).

tom.stoer said:
If you look the SO(3,1) in 4*4 matrix notation you will find that in the matrix elements Lαβ with α=0 and/or β=0 the sin(θ) or cos(θ) for rotations is replaced by sinh(η) or cosh(η) for boosts. So you can interpret the the "1" in SO(3,1) as one direction with imaginary rotations transforming sin, cos to sinh, cosh.

The invariant scalar product

<x,y> = x1y1 + x2y2 + x3y3 + ...

is replaced with

<x,y> = -x0y0 + x1y1 + x2y2 + ...

vanhees71 said:
The name [itex]\mathrm{O}(1,3)[/itex] means (pseudo-)orthogonal group wrt. the fundamental bilinear form with one positive and three negative principle values in [itex]\mathbb{R}^4[/itex]. In components with respect to (pseudo-)orthonormal vectors this scalar produkt reads
[tex]x \cdot y=\eta_{\mu \nu} x^{\mu} y^{\nu}=x^0 y^0-x^1 y^1-x^2 y^2-x^3 y^3.[/tex]
Then the Lorentz transformations are represented by such matrices that leave this bilinear form invariant for all vectors.

There are important subgroups. The most important one is the special orthochronous Lorentz group, [itex]\mathrm{SO}(1,3)^{\uparrow}[/itex], which is continously connected with the identity matrix. That's the symmetry group of the special relativistic spacetime manifold. The special orthonormal Lorentz group consists of all matrices, leaving the above explained Minkowski product invariant for any pair of vectors, have determinant 1, and for which [itex]{\Lambda^0}_0 \geq +1[/itex]. Since the zeroth component of the four vectors denote time this latter restriction means that the transformation doesn't flip the direction of time.

Thanks, everyone. I finally got it.


Ger said:
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~kirillov/mat552/liegroups.pdf. Uses also two indices, parameters in the brackets in O(n,ℝ)

Actually, I think this is a different thing. ##O(n,\mathbb R)## means ##O(n)## over the real numbers ##\mathbb R##, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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