Understanding the Metric Tensor: A 4-Vector Perspective

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties and subtleties of the metric tensor in the context of 4-vectors, particularly focusing on the expression for the divergence of a 4-vector field. Participants explore the implications of using different components of the metric tensor and the Einstein summation convention.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that when using the metric tensor ##g_{\mu\nu}=diag(+1,-1,-1,-1)##, the expression for ##\partial_\mu\phi^\mu## simplifies to ##\partial_0\phi^0 - \partial_i\phi^i##.
  • Others argue that the minus sign is only relevant when the metric tensor is applied, suggesting that ##\partial_{\mu}\phi^{\mu}## with contravariant components does not require the metric tensor.
  • There is a clarification that the expression can be written as ##\partial_\mu\phi^{\mu}=g^{\mu\nu}\partial_\mu\phi_\nu##, leading to a different interpretation of the components involved.
  • Some participants note the importance of the Einstein summation convention, stating it is typically used for one index up and one index down.
  • It is mentioned that the equality of the components ##\left\{ g^{\mu\nu} \right\}## and ##\left\{ g_{\mu\nu} \right\}## holds only for the specific metric given, not for general metrics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the metric tensor and the implications of the Einstein summation convention. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the expressions involving the metric tensor.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that their understanding of the metric tensor and its applications may depend on specific contexts and definitions, which could lead to different interpretations of the mathematical expressions discussed.

Maybe_Memorie
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Some subtleties of the metric tensor are just becoming clear to me now. If I take ##g_{\mu\nu}=diag(+1,-1,-1,-1)##
and want to write ##\partial_\mu\phi^\mu##, it would be ##\partial_0\phi^0 -\partial_i\phi^i##, correct? ##\phi## is a 4-vector.
 
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Not really. The minus only comes in once you you use the metric somewhere, but with ##\partial_{\mu}\phi^{\mu}## if you use the contravariant components of phi, then there's no use of the metric tensor.
 
Ah I see. So in that case, ##\partial_0\phi^0 + \partial_i\phi^i=\partial_\mu\phi^{\mu}=g^{\mu\nu}\partial_\mu\phi_\nu=\partial_0\phi_0 - \partial_i\phi_i## ?
 
Expanding on what dextercioby wrote, and using the metric given in the original post:
$$
\begin{align}
\partial_\mu \phi^\mu &= \partial_0 \phi^0 + \partial_i \phi^i \\
&= g_{\mu \nu} \partial^\nu \phi^\mu \\
&= g_{0 0} \partial^0 \phi^0 + g_{1 1} \partial^1 \phi^1 + g_{2 2} \partial^2 \phi^2 + g_{3 3} \partial^3 \phi^3 \\
&= \partial^0 \phi^0 - \partial^1 \phi^1 - \partial^2 \phi^2 - \partial^3 \phi^3
\end{align}
$$
 
Maybe_Memorie said:
Ah I see. So in that case, ##\partial_0\phi^0 + \partial_i\phi^i=\partial_\mu\phi^{\mu}=g^{\mu\nu}\partial_\mu\phi_\nu=\partial_0\phi_0 - \partial_i\phi_i## ?

A couple of comments:

1) Einstein summation convention often is used only for one up, one index down;

2) the components ##\left\{ g^{\mu\nu} \right\}## only equal the components ##\left\{ g_{\mu\nu} \right\}## for the metric given in the original post, not for general metrics.
 
George Jones said:
A couple of comments:

1) Einstein summation convention often is used only for one up, one index down;

2) the components ##\left\{ g^{\mu\nu} \right\}## only equal the components ##\left\{ g_{\mu\nu} \right\}## for the metric given in the original post, not for general metrics.

Ah right, so it should be explicitly written as ##g^{\mu\nu}\partial_\mu\phi_\nu=\partial_0\phi_0 - \partial_1\phi_1 -\partial_2\phi_2 -\partial_3\phi_3##

I knew about your second comment. Somehow I've survived a course on Jackson and a differential geometry course yet I'm only really thinking about this stuff now. Thanks for the help!
 

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