Understanding the Nature of White Light: Coherency and Mixture Explained

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The discussion revolves around the nature of white light, specifically whether it is a superposition of different wavelengths or a mixture of them. Participants explore concepts of coherence, the behavior of light waves, and the conditions under which different light sources can combine to appear white.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether white light is a superposition of wavelengths or a mixture, noting that mixtures do not require coherent sources.
  • It is suggested that a light beam with a spectrum covering the visible region will appear white, regardless of coherence.
  • One participant states that coherence on a macroscopic level is typically found in lasers and similar sources.
  • Another participant counters that starlight is highly spatially coherent, challenging the previous claim about coherence being limited to lasers.
  • Participants discuss how coherence is influenced by the distance from the source and the angle subtended by the source from the observation point.
  • There is mention of the 'spectral interference law' and how the spectrum of partially coherent light can change during propagation.
  • A reference to Wolf's work on coherence and polarization of light is provided as a resource for further understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the coherence of various light sources and the conditions under which white light is perceived. There is no consensus on whether coherence is a necessary condition for the appearance of white light.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that coherence can depend on multiple factors, including the nature of the light source, distance from the source, and the angle of observation, but these relationships remain complex and not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Is White light a superposition(Interference) of different wavelengths(V,I,B,G,Y,O,R) ? Or is it a mixture of these wavelengths, i do not even properly know about mixtures but my sir told me that for mixture you do not need sources of these light(V,I,B,G,Y,O,R) to be COHERENT , so we can light up different bulbs(each with different color) and the resultant we would get is white light,but how is mixture possible(scientific explanation) I mean what are the waves doing when we say ther are just mixing up ?Why is there no need of coherency conditions since eventually these are waves and there must be superposition?
 
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Be it coherent or incoherent, a light beam whose spectrum spans the entire visible region will look white to us.
Raman Choudhary said:
how is mixture possible(scientific explanation) I mean what are the waves doing when we say ther are just mixing up ?
What your teacher referred to when saying mixing, is that the frequency components in the light's spectrum do not have correlation with each other, in other words the phase relations between them is random.
Raman Choudhary said:
Why is there no need of coherency conditions since eventually these are waves and there must be superposition?
Not every wave present in nature is coherent, in fact almost all of them are incoherent. It's the nature of the source which determines the coherency of the emitted wave.
 
Coherence on a macroscopic level exists only for lasers and similar sources.
 
Not true- starlight (sunlight exempted) is highly spatially coherent, as is light from short arc sources.
 
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EDIT: In response to the example given by Andy, apart from the nature of source, coherency is also determined by the distance between the observation point and the source. The farther it is, the bigger the coherent area.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
EDIT: In response to the example given by Andy, apart from the nature of source, coherency is also determined by the distance between the observation point and the source. The farther it is, the bigger the coherent area.
Yes, but more than that distance, I would say it's the angle subtended by the source from the observation point: the light from Sun seen from Earth is less spatially coherent than a led's light seen 100 metres apart.

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blue_leaf77 said:
EDIT: In response to the example given by Andy, apart from the nature of source, coherency is also determined by the distance between the observation point and the source. The farther it is, the bigger the coherent area.

lightarrow said:
Yes, but more than that distance, I would say it's the angle subtended by the source from the observation point: the light from Sun seen from Earth is less spatially coherent than a led's light seen 100 metres apart.

Yes- the spatial coherence is determined by the (angular) size of the source- as the source approaches a point, the coherence area increases. An aspect of this that I don't fully understand is that the spectrum of partially coherent light can change during propagation- the 'spectral interference law'.

A very good introduction to coherence in all its aspects is Wolf's "Introduction to the theory of coherence and polarization of light".
 

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