Understanding the Proof for Uniform Continuity on Compact Intervals

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The discussion revolves around the proof of uniform continuity on compact intervals, particularly focusing on the relationship between continuity and uniform continuity for functions defined on compact sets. Participants explore definitions, implications, and proof strategies without reaching a consensus on all aspects.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on a statement regarding the existence of sequences that demonstrate non-uniform continuity for a continuous function on a compact set.
  • Another participant proposes a proof structure for showing that a function is uniformly continuous based on the behavior of sequences converging to zero.
  • A participant summarizes a proof direction for uniform continuity, indicating that a unique delta can be found for any epsilon, leading to a conclusion about the function's behavior.
  • Suggestions for proving the converse direction of uniform continuity are made, including using contradiction to construct sequences.
  • A participant raises a related problem about the equivalence of continuity and sequential convergence, seeking guidance on proving the reverse implication.
  • Discussion includes the need for first countability or sequential spaces to establish certain implications in topology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the proof strategies for uniform continuity, with some indicating clarity on certain aspects while others seek further clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the equivalence of continuity and sequential convergence in general spaces.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of their arguments based on the assumptions of first countability and the specific context of working within ##\mathbb{R}^n##.

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I would appreciate it if someone could explain the steps in the reasoning of the following statement. This is not a homework assignment or anything.

Let ##U \subseteq R^{n}## be compact and ##f:U\to R## a continuous function on ##U##. However f is not uniformly continuous.
Then there exists an ##\epsilon>0## and sequences ##a_n## and ##b_n## such that if ## || a_n - b_n || < \frac{1}{n} ## then ##||f(a_n) - f(b_n) \ge \epsilon##.

This statement will lead to proof that continuity on a compact interval means uniform continuity. However this is not proven yet so don't use that fact in your reasoning. Purely based on the definitions of uniform continuity.
 
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So try to prove that any function ##f:U\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^m## (for any domain ##U##) is uniform continuous if and only if for each two sequences ##(a_n)_n## and ##(b_n)_n## in ##U## holds that if ##\| a_n - b_n\|\rightarrow 0## then ##\|f(a_n) - f(b_n)\|\rightarrow 0##.
 
Pick a random ##\epsilon>0##. And let ##a_n## and ##b_n## be two sequences in ##U## so that ##||a_n - b_n||## converges.

Uniform continuity implies there exists a ##\delta## so that as long ##||a_n - b_n|| < \delta ## it follows that ##||f(a_n)-f(b_n)||< \epsilon##

Since ##||a_n - b_n||## converges I can always find a certain ##N## so that for ##n \ge N## holds that ##||a_n - b_n|| < \delta ##

So to summarize, I receive an ##\epsilon## , which in turn returns a unique ##\delta##, and I can always find an ##N## so that for ##n \ge N## : ##||f(a_n)-f(b_n)||< \epsilon## which proves it one way.
 
That's correct.
 
Suggestions for the other direction of proof? It looks like it's a harder one. By the way I totally get the statement now.
 
Use contradiction. Assume that ##f## is not uniform continuous and use that to construct sequences ##(a_n)_n## and ##(b_n)_n##.
 
Hello, I don't think this is worth posting another thread so I hope it's alright if I just ask here.

A similar problem to the last discussed matter. I need to show that these two statements are equivalent (note it's not about uniform continuity anymore though!)

1) ##f:U->V## is continuous on some open domain ##D##

2) For any sequence where ##x_n## converges to ##x## on ##D## , the sequence ##f(x_n)## converges to ##f(x)## on ##V##.

I tried for a bit with assuming that ##f## is not continuous like you mentioned for the previous problem but don't get far.
 
i think you can do this alone. the easy direction is 1 implies 2, assuming you are using the epsilon delta definition of continuity.
 
Yeah 1 implies 2 was no problem its the other way.
 
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To pass from arbitrary e>0 to a sequence, one usually uses the fact that 1/n --> 0.
 
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I think you need 1st countability of the space to go from 2 to 1, or you need something like the space being a sequential space. I mean, this is not true of all spaces.
 
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WWGD said:
I think you need 1st countability of the space to go from 2 to 1, or you need something like the space being a sequential space. I mean, this is not true of all spaces.

We are working in ##\mathbb{R}^n##...
 
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OK, sorry, I did not see that. Feel free to delete my previous post if that helps PF.
 

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