Understanding the Time-Varying Induced EMF in a Spring-Magnetic Field System

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The discussion revolves around a rectangular wire frame placed in a uniform magnetic field, with a side connected to a spring. The original poster seeks to understand how the induced electromotive force (emf) varies with time as the spring is stretched and released, specifically requesting a graph and equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the equation E=Blv and attempt to derive velocity from the spring's force equation. There are questions about the validity of the approach, particularly regarding the treatment of acceleration and the nature of motion involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the need to consider simple harmonic motion and trigonometric equations, while others question the assumptions made about the motion and the integration process. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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There is a noted lack of access to the book's solution, contributing to the confusion among participants. The discussion includes considerations of the nature of motion, with emphasis on the differences between uniformly accelerated motion and simple harmonic motion.

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A Rectangular wire frame, is placed in a uniform magnetic field directed upward and normal to the screen. A side AB is connected to the spring . The spring is stretched and released when the part has come to a point A'B'(t=0). How would the induced emf vary with time? - Graph & Equation

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I tried using E=Blv.
deriving v from
f=kx
m * a = kx
v/t=kx/m
v=kxt/m

But it is probably not right. I don't have the solution of the book with the question. SO i am kinda confused.

Thanks
-XuryaX
 
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XuryaX said:
m * a = kx
v/t=kx/m
v=kxt/m

Hold on...a=dv/dt NOT v/t ... your equation is correct only for uniformly accelerated motion with zero initial velocity but this case is not uniformly accelerated motion...So try getting an expression for simple harmonic motion of the rod in a trigonometric form and try to get the velocity of the rod from there at any time t...
 
Still it seems the same.

dv/dt=kx/m

dv=(kx/m)dt

Integrating

v= kxt/m

If we take dv/dt as d^2x/dt^2
It will be different though.

If we take that.
Then integrating to find x and then differentiating it to get v gives.

v=2kt/3x(squared)m
 
No...i said you have to get a trigonometric equation for the simple harmonic motion(since its a spring)...Like in this case it can be x=Acoswt...If w is given the sum can be solved...
 
XuryaX said:
dv/dt=kx/m

dv=(kx/m)dt

Integrating

v= kxt/m

This is wrong because you are treating x as a constant...Velocity is a function of x so the integration is not so simple...

F=-kx

so m*d2x/dt2 = -kx ...this represents a simple harmonic motion so you need to proceed using trigonometric equations...
 

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