Understanding the Use of the Delta Function in Probability Density Functions

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The discussion revolves around evaluating an integral for a joint probability distribution involving the Dirac delta function, specifically in the context of the relationship between variables R and r defined by R = r sin(θ). Participants are exploring the implications of this relationship on the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to rewrite the integral using properties of the delta function and question the validity of their expressions. Some express confusion regarding the implications of the delta function when the argument evaluates to zero, while others raise concerns about the correctness of the transformation applied to the delta function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the setup of the problem and the properties of the delta function. There is a recognition of potential issues in the original expression, and some participants suggest that the derivation leading to the integral may contain errors. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem may have been derived from a more complex context, and there is a suggestion that the expression provided lacks clarity regarding its derivation. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the properties of the delta function in the context of probability density functions.

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Homework Statement


So I have an issue evaluating the integral for a joint probability distribution given by:

Pr(R) = \displaystyle \int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta \delta(R-r\sin\theta)d\theta d\phi dr

where I know the relationship between r and R is given by R=r\sin\theta

Are there any special properties of the delta function I should be aware of besides it's sifting property?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried evaluating this by re-writing the integral as

\int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta \delta(\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{R}{r}\right) - \theta)d\theta d\phi dr

so that it becomes

\int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi} \sin[\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{R}{r}\right)] d\phi dr

etc...

but this cannot be evaluated so I think this is just wrong, any help would be great.
 
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Mathsey said:

Homework Statement


So I have an issue evaluating the integral for a joint distribution given by:

\displaystyle \int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta \delta(R-r\sin\theta)d\theta d\phi dr

where I know the relationship between r and R is given by R=r\sin\theta
There seems to be something wrong with the way this is expressed.

If ##R=r\sin\theta## then the integral is

\displaystyle \int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta\ \delta(r\sin\theta-r\sin\theta)d\theta d\phi dr<br /> =\int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta\ \delta(0)d\theta d\phi dr

which will be infinite.
 
andrewkirk said:
There seems to be something wrong with the way this is expressed.

If ##R=r\sin\theta## then the integral is

\displaystyle \int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta\ \delta(r\sin\theta-r\sin\theta)d\theta d\phi dr<br /> =\int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta\ \delta(0)d\theta d\phi dr

which will be infinite.

So I don't know if this helps but I think this is a fairly standard way of expressing a probability density function of multiple variables, I should probably have made that more clear, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_density_function, under multiple variables.
 
Mathsey said:

Homework Statement


So I have an issue evaluating the integral for a joint probability distribution given by:

Pr(R) = \displaystyle \int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta \delta(R-r\sin\theta)d\theta d\phi dr

where I know the relationship between r and R is given by R=r\sin\theta

Are there any special properties of the delta function I should be aware of besides it's sifting property?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried evaluating this by re-writing the integral as

\int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin\theta \delta(\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{R}{r}\right) - \theta)d\theta d\phi dr

so that it becomes

\int_{0}^{r_{max}}\int_0^{2\pi} \sin[\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{R}{r}\right)] d\phi dr

etc...

but this cannot be evaluated so I think this is just wrong, any help would be great.

Why can't it be evaluated? ##\sin( \arcsin( y)) = y##.

However, a more serious criticism is that ##\delta(R - r \sin \theta) \neq \delta (\arcsin(R/r) - \theta)##. In general, ##\delta(f(x) - a) \neq \delta(x - f^{-1}(a))##.
 
Mathsey said:
So I don't know if this helps but I think this is a fairly standard way of expressing a probability density function of multiple variables, I should probably have made that more clear, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_density_function, under multiple variables.
The problem with the expression in the OP relates to the use of the Dirac delta function. The section of that wiki article on multiple variables does not contain any uses of the Dirac delta.

It might help if you posted the original problem. What you have posted looks like something derived, and my guess is that the derivation, which was not posted, contains an error.
 

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