Understanding U_n: Solving Series Questions with Two Summations

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The discussion revolves around understanding a series involving two summations, specifically how the subtraction of these summations relates to the term U_n. Participants are trying to clarify the relationship between the summations and the expression given in the problem.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring the subtraction of two summations to derive U_n, questioning how this operation leads to the result. Some suggest substituting specific values for n to illustrate the concept, while others express confusion about the implications of a specific term, "n^2 + 4n."

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with participants providing insights and asking for further clarification. Some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to take with specific values of n, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the terms involved.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem that involves specific expressions and summation notation. There is an indication that certain substitutions or interpretations may be necessary to fully understand the problem.

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I don't understand how the part in yellow can give you U_n, I just don't see how taking the two summations away from each other would give U_n, could anyone explain it please
 
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Write it out for n=4. You'll see immediately what happens.
 
Think about it.
[itex]\Sigma^{n}_{r = 1} U_r= U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} + U_n[/itex], and
[itex]\Sigma^{n - 1}_{r = 1} U_r= U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1}[/itex].
So what happens when you subtract the two summations:
[itex]\left( U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} + U_n \right) - \left( U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} \right)[/itex]?EDIT: Beaten to it. :wink:
 
micromass said:
Write it out for n=4. You'll see immediately what happens.

write what out? I've substituted n = 4 and get 20 if I use what they have used for part b...
 
phospho said:
write what out? I've substituted n = 4 and get 20 if I use what they have used for part b...
I think micromass meant this:
n = 4: [itex]\Sigma^{4}_{r = 1} U_r= U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + U_4[/itex]
n - 1 = 3: [itex]\Sigma^{3}_{r = 1} U_r= U_1 + U_2 + U_3[/itex]
Don't plug into the expressions with the n's.
 
eumyang said:
Think about it.
[itex]\Sigma^{n}_{r = 1} U_r= U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} + U_n[/itex], and
[itex]\Sigma^{n - 1}_{r = 1} U_r= U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1}[/itex].
So what happens when you subtract the two summations:
[itex]\left( U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} + U_n \right) - \left( U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} \right)[/itex]?


EDIT: Beaten to it. :wink:

I see, but what is the "n^2 + 4n", is that a general term or..?
 
phospho said:
I see, but what is the "n^2 + 4n", is that a general term or..?
[itex]\Sigma^{n}_{r = 1} U_r = U_1 + U_2 + U_3 + ... + U_{n - 1} + U_n = n^2 + 4n[/itex]. That was given in the problem. Notice the substitution that was made in the step after the highlighted step.
 

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