Underwater Propulsion: Pumping Out Water for Acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of using water pumping mechanisms within submersible objects to achieve underwater acceleration. Participants explore various propulsion methods, including the practicality of internal water pumping versus external water intake from the surrounding environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that pumping water from inside a submersible can provide thrust, while others argue this method is not practical compared to using external water sources.
  • A participant mentions that the Hamilton Jet is an example of a system that uses external water for propulsion.
  • Questions are raised about the mechanics of water intake and the feasibility of directing water flow from a location "in front of" a moving system.
  • Another participant references a historical example of water jet propulsion from a lifeboat, suggesting that the concept is not new.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the technical details of pump-jets and the work required for effective operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of internal water pumping for propulsion, with multiple competing views on the practicality and mechanics of various systems remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the efficiency of different propulsion methods and the technical specifics of water intake mechanisms, which remain unclear.

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Can water inside a submersible object be pumped outwards to provide an acceleration while underwater?
 
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RICKYtan said:
Can water inside a submersible object be pumped outwards to provide an acceleration while underwater?
Isn't this exactly what a propeller does? If you like, you can put the whole system in a tube through the inner of the object, but why?
 
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If you mean can water from a tank inside be pumped out to produce thrust then answer is yes but in practice this method of producing thrust is not very practical.

Generally better to use the water from lake or sea and pump it through or around the submersed object .
 
Nidum said:
Generally better to use the water from lake or sea and pump it through or around the submersed object .

invented in my home country, the Hamilton Jet is the classic example of that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetboat
 
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At least they are fast!
https://www.ngva.eu/worlds-fastest-high-speed-ferry-propelled-by-waertsilae-technology
 
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This is the UK version built by Dowty under license from Hamilton :

 
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Can someone explain how the intake works and the work necessary? Also, can intake be supplied by water flowing inside the system at a location on the system that is "in front of" the moving system, a system which can travel any direction underwater?
 
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RICKYtan said:
Can someone explain how the intake works and the work necessary?

The wikipedia article is a good starting point for an overview of a pump-jet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump-jet

If you're planning to build one then you'll have to get into the technical literature, as teaching you the details would be beyond the scope of this forum.

RICKYtan said:
Also, can intake be supplied by water flowing inside the system at a location on the system that is "in front of" the moving system, a system which can travel any direction underwater?

I'm sorry but I can't make heads or tails of this.
 
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Perhaps Google Bow Thruster?
 
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I visited the RNLI Lifeboat museum Pool, UK last year and saw an ancient (1950's?) lifeboat which used water jet propulsion. Nothing new under the Sun. Great for shallow water use.
 

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