Uniform electric field moving a proton and electron

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The problem involves a uniform electric field of 640 N/C between two parallel plates, with a proton released from the positive plate and an electron from the negative plate. The objective is to determine the distance from the positive plate where the two particles meet, while ignoring their electrostatic attraction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both the proton and electron, considering their respective accelerations due to the electric field. Questions arise regarding whether the forces and accelerations are equal, given the mass difference between the two particles. There is also a debate about the conditions under which the two particles would meet, with some suggesting that they should not meet at the midpoint due to their differing accelerations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided insights into the implications of mass on acceleration and the conditions for the particles' positions to be equal. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants continue to question the assumptions and clarify their understanding of the motion involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of the electric field on the motion of the proton and electron, as well as the initial conditions of their release from opposite plates. The assumption of ignoring electrostatic attraction is also noted as a relevant constraint in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A uniform electric field of magnitude 640 N/C exists between two parallel plates that are 4.00 cm apart. A proton is released from the positive plate at the same instand that an electron is released from the negative plate. Determine the distance from the positive plate that the two pass each other. (Ignore the electrostatic attraction between the proton and electron.)

r = 0.04 m
E = 640 N/C
qp = 1.6 * 10-19 C
qe = -1.6 * 10-19 C
mp = 1.67 * 10-27 kg
me = 1/1830 * mp

Homework Equations


[1] x = x0 + v0 + 1/2*a*t2
[2] F = ma = qE

The Attempt at a Solution



PROTON:
using [2], a = qp*E/mp
subbing into [1], xp = 1/2(qp*E/mp)t2

ELECTRON:
xe = r + 1/2(qe*E/me)t2

see when xp = xe
t = \sqrt{2*r/(E(q<sub>p</sub>/m<sub>p</sub> - q<sub>e</sub>/m<sub>e</sub>}
i get t = 2.67 * 10-8 seconds

but when i plug it in for xp i get 2.18*10-5 m, whereas xe is 4.00 * 10-2 m

they should be equal =S

where did i go wrong? thanks! :smile:
 
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Should they be equal? Does equal force imply equal acceleration in this case?
 
I thought they would be different because a proton has 1830 times the mass of an electron, and as F = m * a... Am I wrong?
 
No, no, you're right in that. They won't meet in the middle, though, because they've been accelerated unequally. You want not xp = xe, but xp + xe = 4.
 
Oh, I understand what you mean now. However, they are released from opposite ends, so I think when they cross, their x values should be equal. That is why my x equation for the electron starts at r = 4.
 
If one particle starts at 0, and the other at r = 4, then one will accelerate in the positive r direction, and the other will accelerate in the negative x direction.
 

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