Units of Transmittance: Defining & Explaining

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The discussion revolves around the concept of transmittance of light, specifically its definition and the units associated with it. Participants explore the relationship between transmittance, intensity, and spectral irradiance, examining whether transmittance can be considered dimensionless or if it should be defined in terms of spectral ranges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that transmittance should be defined in terms of a spectral range, suggesting that the units would be inverse frequency due to the integration over frequency space.
  • Another participant asserts that transmittance is dimensionless because it is a ratio of incident to transmitted radiation, which have the same units.
  • A different participant questions the analogy of transmittance to probability, seeking clarification on the relationship between transmittance and spectral irradiance.
  • One participant emphasizes that the fraction of light transmitted can be viewed as the probability of an incident photon being transmitted, suggesting that this is equivalent to the ratio of transmitted to incident intensity.
  • There is a call for clarification on the dimensional analysis presented, indicating that some participants believe there may be confusion regarding the definitions and units involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether transmittance should be considered dimensionless or if it should involve specific units related to spectral ranges. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the definition and implications of transmittance.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the integration of spectral intensity and the need for clarity on definitions, indicating that assumptions about the nature of transmittance and its relationship to intensity may not be universally accepted.

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I don't get this. Everywhere I look, the units of transmittance of light are dimensionless.

I get that it's a ratio of incident to transmitted radiation, t(f) = I(f)/T(f), and these two have the same units.

However, light intensity is always properly defined as the power per metre squared of radiation in a given spectral range, f + df, then the intensity is ∫I(f)df. If you want an intensity at a single frequency, you'll never find it because you will never detect a photon at EXACTLY f.

This is the same as probability distributions. The pdf of a distribution is not a probability itself, it must be integrated over probability space. In the same way, the spectral intensity is not an intensity until it is also integrated.

So that leaves me thinking, what on Earth is the transmittance?

In my reasoning we should still define it in terms of a spectral range, and say the transmittance between f and df is t(f)df. Then the units are still inverse frequency because t is the ratio (dimensionless) and df has dimensions of frequency.


Anyone follow? Would love a yes/no answer!
 
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Transmittance is defined as the fraction of light which passes thru a sample:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmittance

Same units in : same units out, therefore it is dimensionless.

Equivalently, what are the units of mechanical efficiency?
 
Anyone follow? Would love a yes/no answer!
"Anyone follow?" Is the only question you asked which can be answered "yes" or "no". The answer to that question is, "yes".

The other two questions have been answered above ;)
Note: if you don't know what something is, then it is not a good idea to try defining it.
 
Thanks for the replies but neither helps address my confusion. Does the probability analogy not make sense?

Nobody I know talks about "fractions of light", they talk about spectral irradiance. I suppose if the transmittance is not a ratio of spectral irradiances, then what is? Because this is the ratio I am interested in.
 
The fraction of light through a medium would be the probability of an incident photon being transmitted or the ratio of the transmitted to incident intensity (and irradiance) of the light. These are equivalent statements.

You can do it just as well with spectral irradiance - in which case you have to specify the bandwidth as well - and the dimensions still cancel out. It looks to me like the dimensional analysis in post #1 is the confusion. Go through it again, step by step, slowly, and pedantically - careful to focus on what it is you are trying to find the dimensions of.

You clearly have the math - and are aware of the definitions of the terms - so I don't see what your difficulty is. Perhaps if you tell us what you are trying to use this for we'll see what is going on?
What's the context?
 

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